Toyota planning track-focused Supra, could BMW Z4 get the same?

BMW Z4, News | September 14th, 2018 by 5
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By now, it’s no secret that the BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra are twins. In fact, we’ve known for so long, and the project was so mysterious for such a long time, that the two cars almost seem like myths. Especially the Supra, which has been teased for literally decades but has yet to come to fruition. Still, Toyota seems to be planning for the future of the famed sports car, as Supra boss Tetsuya Tada recently told Top Gear.

“At some point I would like to make a track-limited Supra with less weight. We’re already making a racing version so we know if you take out 100kg it’s a completely different car – you don’t even need any more power,” said Tada.

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After hearing what’s been said about the new BMW Z4 and how capable its chassis is, along with the fact that it’s faster ‘round the Nurburgring than the BMW M2, a “track-limited” Supra sounds positively kick-ass.

One thing Tada said about the Supra, which can likely be said about the BMW Z4 as well, considering they share the same chassis, engine and gearbox, was really encouraging to hear. “The Porsche Cayman has been our dynamic benchmark from the start,” Tada told TG. “The Cayman has the advantage with its engine positioning but I’ve driven the cars back-to-back on track and we’re definitely in the same zone.”

Another bit in the story that was very interesting was Tada told TG both BMW and Toyota were considering a mid-engine layout for the Z4/Supra twins. But, ultimately, front-engine won out for its feel. “We stuck with front engine because of feel and control. We know how to control a front-engine car, we already have that capability. In the planning stages we suggested a mid-engined layout and BMW was happy to go with it, but I took the idea to Akio Toyoda and he told me off.”

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The more I hear about this joint Z4/Supra venture, the more I like. But the part about Tada wanting to make a lightweight, track-oriented version of the Supra is music to my ears. We already know that BMW doesn’t currently have any plans to make a proper Z4 M (probably because the Z4 M40i is already so damn quick) but if Toyota makes something special out of the Supra, that could prompt BMW to do so as well. Obviously, nothing of the sort would force BMW’s hand, but if the Bavarians saw what was possible with a track-oriented Supra, could they possibly spring for a BMW Z4 M CS or maybe even CSL? We certainly hope so.

[Source: Top Gear]

5 responses to “Toyota planning track-focused Supra, could BMW Z4 get the same?”

  1. Central Lifestyle says:

    Mid-engine would be really interesting. Z4 M40i prototype’s lap time is impressive but I heard someone say production 2016 Cayman S lapped that same ‘ring about 8-9 seconds quicker. Don’t know how true that is. Hopefully production Z4 M40i’s lap time round the ‘ring will much faster. And no ifs or buts, Z4M has to be built. If there’s a market for Cayman Turbo and potentially Supra (with more power, less weight etc), then there’ll be lots of interested buyers for a Z4M.

    • Alexander S says:

      It’s silly to compare Porsche and BMW lap times or driving abilities.Porsche’s cars are more expensive and they can put some more progressive technologies into. It’s all simple.

      • Central Lifestyle says:

        Don’t be silly, of course you can compare. M2 Competition is compared to Cayman Turbo and everyone agrees M2 Competition is better than Cayman Turbo in every aspect and fundamentally in price/value. Porsche is more expensive mainly because they charge a huge premium for their “Porsche” badge than BMW does its badge. There’s no “progressive technology” in Cayman S/Turbo (4 cyl) that makes it more expensive than its rival BMW cars M2/Z4 M40i (6 cyl). Are you also going to argue Panamera should not be compared to AMG GT 4 doors or M8 Grand Coupe (when it gets released)? Come on now.

    • manuelf says:

      Yep, Porsche Cayman 718S was about 8 sec faster around the ring driven also by sport auto…
      But this is a weak comparison: 718 was the Coupe, which is lighter (fair comaprison would be Boxster S), has 10hp more and costs at least 50% more. So apples to oranges.

      IF BMW would come up with an M version, it would have approx. 100hp more than the Boxster S. It would be faster and has a inline 6 instead of that shitty 4 banger of the 718 and would be even slightly cheaper.
      By the way: in the super test of the Z4M40i by sport auto, Christian Genhardt (test driver/writer) hinted, that a Z4M really seems likely… let us hope!

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