We’ve heard several rumors of Alfa Romeo working on a high-performance coupe, based on the Giulia Quadrifoglio, to take on cars like the BMW M4 and Mercedes-AMG C63 Coupe. While it’s now been confirmed that Alfa Romeo will, indeed, be making a high-performance coupe, it’s now more likely that it will compete with the BMW M8 and not the M4.
In a recent tweet from the FCA, it’s been announced that the Italian brand will be making a coupe and it will be called the Alfa Romeo GTV. Fantastic. The tweet followed the FCA’s Five Year Plan meeting in Italy, so expect the GTV within the next few years.
The GTV name is quite old, being one of the brand’s most iconic nameplates. So it’s awesome that Alfa is bringing it back. What’s even better is what this new Alfa Romeo GTV is going to be. According to the FCA’s tweet, it’s going to be a 600+ hp coupe with e-boost. That confirms the rumors that this coupe is going to be some sort of hybrid. While it might not be a plug-in hybrid, with pure electric driving capability, it’s likely to be some sort of MHEV (Mild Hybrid), with an electric motor to add additional power and torque, so as to reduce turbo lag, sort of like the BMW i8’s rear electric motor.
According to this tweet, it will also come with all-wheel drive and torque vectoring, which sort of hints that it’s going to be a bit bigger of a car than the BMW M4. Which is why it’s probably going to be more of an M8 competitors, especially with 600+ hp. It will also feature 2+2 seating which, combined with its all-wheel drive layout, hints at it being more of a high-performance grand tourer than a proper sports car, much like the M8.
This tweet also boasts a 50/50 weight distribution, which is impressive considering its all-wheel drive and e-boost. Though, Alfa has done a remarkable job of shedding weight with the Giulia Quadrifoglio, so it wouldn’t surprise us if the Italians nailed this GTV’s weight distribution.
Alfa Romeo isn’t stopping there, though. Apparently, the Italians are considering a 700+ hp, mid-engine hybrid supercar, dubbed the Alfa Romeo 8C. That would be insanity and we’d love to see such a thing.
This is all very exciting news, as the current Alfa Giulia is a great car that we like quite a bit. It has its problems, of that there’s no doubt, but it’s an incredibly charming car that’s highly desirable. We have no doubt that the Alfa Romeo GTV will do the same and more. Plus, the more great cars on the road, the better. Competition breeds excellence and we can’t wait to see what becomes of the competition between this GTV and the M8.
I already don’t trust Alfa Romeo/Fiat’s reliability towards their engines and mechanical parts, so adding a hybrid powertrain seems like a nightmare.
Their engines comes from Ferrari.
And there are so many reliable high milage Ferraris. Doesn’t the Ferraris hybrid sell for 7 figures? In this segment it will depend how it looks.
The regular M5 drives already Ferarri 458 italia times at Hockenheimring and Nürburgring. How much faster is M5 comp then?
Article is about hybrid drivetrain. NOT Italia. Which is also not a 4 seat luxury sedan.
Ok then M8 hybrid with 800 hp which is a two door luxury sport coupe.
There is NO M8 hybrid.
Not yet but in near future maybe.
Why would they go against 2nd. generation i8?
I8 next gen is not enough and it would have only 3, 4 cylinders and approximatly 380 420 hp.
MULTIPLE websites have speculated for the past 2 years that next gen i8 will be 750 hp. & possibly full EV, you cite the model that has been on sale for 4 yrs.
Don’t believe those sites. I’ll have more on the i8 soon. Real news.
Tease.
What I can tell you for now is that there are really no news yet to report. The car is still going thru many approval stages.
I hope they go for it & throw down the gauntlet, tired of reading how current model’s sub-4 sec 0-60 is “slow”.
You know BMW is pretty conservative, right? 😂😂
Bavarians are conservative like Oktoberfest is dry.
Seems like too much bureaucracy at BMW. No wonder so many leave? Are BMW self-aware enough to do something about it or do they not care? Seems as if they go after the millennials with technology and whatnot. Millennials don’t know cars. How will they make great cars if they go after customers that know nothing about cars? Have you imagined yourself to fork out a HyundaiBlog sometime in the future? Are you optimistic about BMW as a car manufacturer? I love my BMW I have today, but honestly, I’m not sure I picture myself with a BMW in the future… :/
A serious danger for Bmw M, if not the biggest one. If Alfa GTV comes around with 600 hp-700 hp, then next gen M4 must get 560 hp 650 Nm, plus 150 kg less weight and e boost with approximately 100 more horse power to keep up with Alfa GTV. M8 CS needs at least 660 hp. Together with e boost 750 hp. What about M8 hybrid with 800 hp and more to compete with super cars like Ferrari la Ferrari etc?
Can someone from BMWBLOG like nico or horatiu please post this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3gofljlkwA
M5 won again as usual but just proves another drag race where the M5 wins
I just sent it to Nico.
thanks :D
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Nice. :-)
Drag races are lame (typical Americans). Give me a 8-figure race.
We have better things to do than 8 figure racing, like developing softwares.
Irrelevant. You’re not a car guy, are you?
This is all very impressive, but seriously, Alfa with an electric motor? Really? Putting an electric motor on characterful cars like Alfa is like putting curry on ice cream. It just doesn’t go together. It seems like Giulia Quadrifoglio will be last proper Alfa… :(
Unfortunately, this is the future of engines/powertrains. They’re all going to be electric. There must have been complaints when trains moved from steam engines to coal engines and then to their current powertrains. It happens bro. It’s called progression, innovation. There’s no use complaining too long about it. The decision makers have made the decision. All that can be done now is to get the best of out of electric powertrains to make it as enjoyable as possible for car drivers.
Engines are already dead. It started with turbo and turbo lag. Regulation has made fossil cars dull, boring, incredibly complex and expensive to make. Not that I disagree about the regulation (it’s sad, because I’m a petrolhead). Nowadays you’ve got small engines with particle filters and whatnot… All focused on emissions rather than performance.
We used to have huge naturally aspirated engines that sounded great and were very reliable. Now it’s just a fucking mess of complex emissions-reducing technology. Particle filters are coming for petrol engines too.
It’s time to scrap the engine once and for all and leave it in the treasure chest of nostalgia. I’ll enjoy old engines on the track, the only place they’re good for.
The electric powertrain doesn’t have the limits of emissions regulation. You can make a 600 HP monster of a car with zero emissions. That same monster can easily be one of the most efficient and low-consuming cars. You simply cannot do that with a 600 HP petrol monster car. The electric powertrain also harvest what diesel engines offers – torque. And they’re better at it. All this, in a package 1/3rd of the size of an engine. Lower centre of gravity, more space for people and luggage and personal belongings (sports cars can finaly be practical and people don’t have to buy boring shitmobiles for it to actually work for their life).
After owning a BEV I kinda like the motor whine, it sounds aggressive and fierce. I welcome it as the next “engine sound”. It’s mostly that we’re used to engine sounds and are nostalgic about it. I am too.
But instead, we should put out intention into making BEVs what petrol cars cannot be, and haven’t been in a long, long time!
Wow, thank you. Someone who finally can see that there’s no going back, the decision is made, he industry is getting on with it. Market surveys show people want to make the switch over to electric but are worried about range anxiety but that’s being extended as far as ever now. Petrolhead here too, mad crazy about V8 engines, but one can not deny the positives of electric powertrains, especially pertaining to torque, and their costs will come down rapidly as well. BMW knew this was coming years ago that’s why they dipped toes in with i3 and i8. It is what it is.
It is what it is, indeed. :) Great to see a fellow petrolhead that doesn’t have his head stuck up his arse and stubbornly refuse to consider facts. xD Though, I have to say, I kinda like how BEVs have this resistance – because now all manufacturers are trying to prove that BEVs can be quick, fun and engaging (Tesla started this performance “race”). Once it’s normal for all BEVs, even cheap ones, to be RWD and have quick acceleration – they can’t go back. Nobody will want to buy a new product with lesser capabilities and no manufacturer wants to be the first one to go back to making slow cars with >10 second acceleration to 100 km/h. :)
For instance, VW is talking about how their future BEVs will be RWD. The I.D. will be. The Beetle they’re considering reviving as an electric car will be RWD/AWD. FWD simply doesn’t makes sense in a BEV like it does in a fossil car where it’s cheaper and simpler and offers better cabin space.
Umm, actually not, the best energy source on the planet is hydrocarbons. John Cadogan has made a beautiful video just for you. right now, the Li Ion batteries are so toxic, ecologically unfriendly, rare earth materials for engines even more terrible, so the future of ICE looks BEAUTIFUL. Until such time that solid state batteries with 1000-2000 kms range and tabel chemically take over, ensuring people do not burn to a crisp at the slightest G force agitation of Li Ion.
The least correct statement you made is ZERO emissions. I recommend you check the actual studies, and John Cadogan’s tesla video, demonstrating that the production CO2 footprint for current e tech is devastatingly worse than ICE based vehicles,
it is true about the instant torque, but energy wise, hydrocrabons, and even your smallest tequilla shot, produce more energy per volume than any battery. We are not yet in the Star Trek age. One day, not today and not 10 years from now.
If you look at my comment, it has layers to it. There are certain sentiments behind the statement “engines are dead”. A lot of this comes from a petrolhead that is me. A petrolhead that have seen the fight between manufacturers, regulation and market where compromize upon compromize has been made to the point where fossil cars in general, but also fossil sportscars, aren’t what they once were.
The thing about this is that the engine is a very mature technology with little potential. The motor and battery is not mature and has great potential!
The battery isn’t toxic in practical. Why? Because it’s contained and recycled when it has reached its end of life. They also make for a lot greener cars compared to fossil cars. There are several studies specifically proving this.
The future of fossil cars look scarce and everything but beautiful. It’ll be a problem we’re making alternatives for (and have).
We don’t need 1000 – 2000 km range. No fossil car even has that. When charging times gets reduced considerably, it’ll be more like going to a petrol station anyway.
They will instead use less cells with higher energy density. This will result in a lighter pack (lighter vehicle) and lower cost. They’ll realize that more than 1000 km range is for expensive vehicles and extra demanding customers. I’d be one of those, but I’m not super wealthy.
There are also studies proving BEVs aren’t more likely to catch fire compared to a fossil car. This situation will only improve, mainly for the battery technology.
The statement is true after production. But both fossil cars and electric cars have a certain carbon footprint. The carbon footprint of BEVs is shrinking and will continue to shrink. In the future, new batteries will be made from recyled ones. This will completely bypass the mining of raw materials and batteries will go from fairly green to very green. Recyling and repurposing is already happening.
The problem here is that isolating the carbon footprint of today and yesterday is a huge fallacy and doesn’t complete the equation or even begin to account for the long-term picture. He’s simply wrong.
For batteries to improve, we need to utilize the technology. Nothing will happen if we don’t go through the early stages. You can’t expect new technology to simply fall into our hands in the future without development and experience accumulating. Economies of scale as well as investments and becoming established is also incredibly important.
Energy-wise, BEVs are incredibly efficient. The volumetric energy density is less impressive as well as specific energy density. You’re making yourself blind on irrelevant things. Despite these things, BEVs are greener and more efficient.
Do you realize the energy consumed from looking for oil, pumping it up, refining it and transporting it to stations? Do you realize how little sustainable it is? We’ve created a dependance on it and you have to keep pumping till’ there’s nothing left if we don’t go alternative ways.
Electricity is found in nature from e.g. hydropower and solar power. The entirety of Norway is supplied with hydropower. BEVs are especially clean here.
And it’s by far the best solution to air pollution.
Your move.
Your argument has several cogency flaws, and you infer knowledge where there is none. Lots of your argument is based on speculation- and hence irrelevant “They will..” “there are” Sure in a century, centuries, power could be in a capacitor the charge of a tennis ball. We are talking NOW and now means next 2-3 decades. As it is NOW, the production of EVs is MORE costly carbon wise than the BENEFITS. That is an accepted fact. Perhaps you should read on that. “BEV”s are incredibly efficient – there are various nice studies that compare the BEV MPG with ICE MPG and it might stun you. Sure as you would not have advanced the argument. They are MARGINALLY more efficient, not revolutionary so. “Do you realize the energy consumed from looking for oil, pumping it up, refining it and transporting it to stations?” Better than you as current gas and carbon reserves are projected for another century. And if we take the ICE evolution, Power output per cylinder vs consumption, they are remarkable and keep coming. Secondly, the reason why some BEVs make it on the streets is beacause their poor safety is not yet a nuisance. Do you realize that if EVERY CAR OUT THERE was Li-Ion based, the fatality rate would go up HUNDREDS PERCENT? Crisp to no DNA? Do you realize there are no grids out there to sustain this? NORWAY LMAO I LOVE NORWAY and its few Kms of highway, we have hundreds of thousands of Kms in NA, and no, there will be no trillion investments when we lack the mooney to repair a single rail line connecting Churchill with the rest of Canada. DO you realize the scale and distances in NA? Do you know why Tesla offers no range projection below 0C? Because at -10 -20 -30 in OUR distances, the range is 30% at best. Now, when Solid State batteries come along, are proven, or hydrogen tech comes along, then yes, some of your arguments might bare fruition- IN DECADES.
Do you realize the energy consumed from looking for oil, pumping it up, refining it and transporting it to stations?” Since it is a sustainment operation, then LITTLE. How about I truly demolish your rebuttal: “do you realize that OIL pumping and refining will keep going even without gas as fuel?” Petrochemical application, i.e. plastics, roads, etc, will still need to go on with or without e cars. DO YOU REALIZE HOW MANY MILLIONS WOULD LOOSE THEIR JOBS if someone just stopped oil refinement? HOW MANY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GARAGES GO OUT OF BUSINESS? And many millions of workers loose their jobs? do you realize no government, now or in 20 years, will EVER enforce in North America, Asia, Africa, policies that will render millions jobless? They NEVER have. So as long as hydrocarbons provide a useful output, in combo with hybrid tech, THE FUTURE IS BEAUTIFUL. Except in Denmark, and Norway, where the job vacancy rate is so high because people do not want to go live there and pay the highest taxes in the world for a pink coloured social welfare system. There, in those 500 km of highways, sure EVs, golf carts, are the future.
It is going to be a light hybrid with Ferrari KERS technology. That is far from an EV. It is going to be an absolute monster: Giulia Quadrifoglio TT 2.9L V6 + KERS for an extra 135hp. Rumored to be close to 640hp. Sizewise, will compete directly against M4 since it is build on Giulia Quadrifoglio’s Giorgio platform NOT a bloated M8 competitor. Should kill an M8 based on power, weight, balance, price. BMW had better get back to the drawing board ASAP because Alfa just threw down the gaunlet. They have a huge advantage of not being constrained by already having a more expensive model sitting above it like the M4 which will have the M5/M8. BMW will never make the M4 faster/more powerful than its upscale siblings. It is landlocked.
You’re right on that. At this point it’s far from EV, which is good. What I refer to though is Alfa’s mid to long term road map which mentions transition to full electric powertrains. Same thing with Maserati. Industry is trending that way. That said, got to agree with you, this GTV is looking likely to be an absolute monster.
Nothing KERS. Just a electric turbo fed by 48 Volts to overcome a turbo lag.
Nah, this is just nostalgia talking. An Alfa with an electric powertrain would be great. It can be what turns them into more reliable cars. It’s already true in many EVs. The reliability went up a lot.
Nico – correct me if I am wrong, the M8 is the 8c competitor and the GTV is the M4 competitor???? The 8C is the Halo supercar with more power than the just released Ferrari 488 Pista. ( I believe it when I see it). The GTV is by the way 20bhp shy of the current Ferrari 488. Those numbers are as you say “insane”. I believe this will definitely come out.
Of more relevance is their model line up is expanding around SUV’s; a smaller X1 competitor below the Stelvio and an X5 competitor higher than Stelvio. Smart move as the world has gone SUV mad.
Me thinks its time its time to take Alfa Romeo seriously. Latest surveys are showing their quality/reliability has gone up considerably.
The new GTV will be an M8 competitor, not M4. With 600+ hp, all-wheel drive and 2+2 seating, it’s basically the same spec as the M8. The next M4 will likely have around 500 hp, nowhere near enough to keep up with the GTV.
While the next 8C will be a full-on supercar to take on cars like the McLaren 720S.
But you’re right that Alfa needs to be taken seriously. It’s still not as reliable as the German brands but it’s getting there. Plus, they look great and are fun as hell.
IMO, it depends on luxury contents on a GTV. But most likely it will be in between a M4 and a M8.
E-booster on a presentation is nothing else than a electrical turbo/supercharger. It will be used to counter a turbo lag and to make possible usage of a classic turbocharger at a higher rpm with even higher boost.
It can also be used as P2 mild hybrid. But according to other one presentation from a FCA P2 mild hybrid are planed at the start of 2021.
So a declared power is not for an ICE + electric aid. it’s just for an ICE. AFAIK desired power level is around 650 HP.
Have you guys seen the production portfolio from Alfa Romeo till 2022 in the net? It would be nice, if you bring more Bmw and Alfa Romeo comparison in the future, not just only M3/ M4 vs Guilia? We would have sure more interessting subjects to discuss. If you ask most ppl who’s Bmw M biggest competitor all times? They sure would say AMG, in terms of sales of course, but the greatest threat for Bmw in terms of sportiness, dynamics, design and Image these days is Alfa Romeo of course.
Pretty sure a product price range is what makes a model a competitor. If this is priced at the M8, then it’s competition is the M8. If it’s priced at the M4 and exceeds in specs, then it wins in the market segment.
Comparing Alfa Guilia coupe with M8 is not correct. We all know Bmw is capable to squeeze more power from their 3.0 l M3 engines, see the 2002 hommage or M4 GTS. Next hardcore M3/ M4 can easily reach up to 575 hp. What Bmw need is a smaller and lighter future M6 1300 kg 3.2 liter triturbo with the help from waterinjection and 48V battery and e boost to defeat the lovely Guilia GTV.
Alfa’s 5 year product & market plans show they mean business. They want market share from BMW. Bavaria need to up their game especially on interior design and more sportcars (halo car in particular). M8 and M8 GC are not super sports cars so can’t be proper halo cars. Bimmer needs something bespoke and in super sportscar realm like the AMG GT or Audi R8, both which improve sales, brand perception, and market share for Mercedes and Audi after they were released.
Beautiful beautiful prospect. Whether or not sold on German V6 turbo reliability, the AR is also coming with same or similar off the shelf components, and taking the critics like a storm. Its qualities are undeniable. If the after market parts starts matching the BMW one, the Bavarian will have to step up their game quite a bit. that is good.
We all know Bmw is capable to squeeze more power from their 3.0 l M3 engines, see the 2002 hommage or M4 GTS. Next hardcore M3/ M4 can easily reach up to 560 hp. What Bmw need is a smaller and lighter M4 with 3.0 liter triturbo waterinjection and 48V baterry and e boost to defeat the lovely Guilia GTV.