Comments on: The First 3, the Follow Through http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/12/16/the-first-3-the-follow-through/ News And Rumors Covering The Auto Industry Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:08:31 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Gragop http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/12/16/the-first-3-the-follow-through/comment-page-1/#comment-76984 Gragop Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:57:17 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=6845#comment-76984 @<a href="#comment-76969" rel="nofollow">Auday</a>: I think the turbo engine is pretty heavy, BMW, for some reason, put 6-pot brakes on the 1er, safety equipment added to a new gen. of cars, the electronics for the limited slip diff. etc...those are my guesses. @Auday: I think the turbo engine is pretty heavy, BMW, for some reason, put 6-pot brakes on the 1er, safety equipment added to a new gen. of cars, the electronics for the limited slip diff. etc…those are my guesses.

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]]> By: Auday http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/12/16/the-first-3-the-follow-through/comment-page-1/#comment-76969 Auday Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:35:55 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=6845#comment-76969 @Gragop The CSL has almost nothing on it, with carbon fibre roof, cardboard trunk,....etc, so this 350lb gain is mainly coming of those items, the electric seats is probably the only comfort item that has a significant scontribution to that. The CSL is still heavier than the E36 that is fully loaded. Yes the E46 is a bit bigger, but I dont think it's even that. The 1 series is smaller than the E36 and is more than 400Lb heavier, this is what I dont get. @Gragop
The CSL has almost nothing on it, with carbon fibre roof, cardboard trunk,….etc, so this 350lb gain is mainly coming of those items, the electric seats is probably the only comfort item that has a significant scontribution to that.
The CSL is still heavier than the E36 that is fully loaded. Yes the E46 is a bit bigger, but I dont think it’s even that. The 1 series is smaller than the E36 and is more than 400Lb heavier, this is what I dont get.

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]]> By: Gragop http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/12/16/the-first-3-the-follow-through/comment-page-1/#comment-76946 Gragop Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:54:49 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=6845#comment-76946 @<a href="#comment-76853" rel="nofollow">Auday</a>: 350lbs is a lot of weight though. that's stripping two medium-sized passengers out of an M3...I believe that moves the weight of the E46 M3 somewhere closer to 3,000lbs which is a fairly low weight for that type of car. The rest of the heavy weight in that car keeping it above 3,000lbs is likely the extra safety equipment, though the CSL doesn't have side impact air bags, does it? @Auday:

350lbs is a lot of weight though. that’s stripping two medium-sized passengers out of an M3…I believe that moves the weight of the E46 M3 somewhere closer to 3,000lbs which is a fairly low weight for that type of car. The rest of the heavy weight in that car keeping it above 3,000lbs is likely the extra safety equipment, though the CSL doesn’t have side impact air bags, does it?

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]]> By: Auday http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/12/16/the-first-3-the-follow-through/comment-page-1/#comment-76853 Auday Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:24:22 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=6845#comment-76853 @Gragop I dont think the electronics and comfort features add much, the CSL is only 350 LBs less than the Comp Package loaded M3. @Gragop
I dont think the electronics and comfort features add much, the CSL is only 350 LBs less than the Comp Package loaded M3.

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]]> By: Gragop http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/12/16/the-first-3-the-follow-through/comment-page-1/#comment-76842 Gragop Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:21:00 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=6845#comment-76842 @<a href="#comment-76836" rel="nofollow">adood84</a>: sure can, I think the saying goes "3,000lbs is the new 2,000lbs" in terms of car mass. A Cayman weighs just a hair over 3,000lbs but by comparison a Porsche 914 weighed between 2,000 and 2,200 lbs - which seems unheard of these days. You can lay it all on Ralph Nader for the additional weight in modern cars - that and consumer electronics and creature comforts finding their way in - anyone know what the weight differential is on a E90 with idrive versus without? @adood84:

sure can, I think the saying goes “3,000lbs is the new 2,000lbs” in terms of car mass. A Cayman weighs just a hair over 3,000lbs but by comparison a Porsche 914 weighed between 2,000 and 2,200 lbs – which seems unheard of these days.

You can lay it all on Ralph Nader for the additional weight in modern cars – that and consumer electronics and creature comforts finding their way in – anyone know what the weight differential is on a E90 with idrive versus without?

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]]> By: adood84 http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/12/16/the-first-3-the-follow-through/comment-page-1/#comment-76836 adood84 Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:11:19 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=6845#comment-76836 @<a href="#comment-76733" rel="nofollow">Auday</a>: you got to blame the safety requirements for that/ @Auday:

you got to blame the safety requirements for that/

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]]> By: Auday http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/12/16/the-first-3-the-follow-through/comment-page-1/#comment-76733 Auday Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:09:45 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=6845#comment-76733 very nice writeup and excellent car for sure. The only thing I don't like about this car is how fast its body gets rusted but that's almost the case with all cars in that era, the CS was even worse with it's Italian build chasses. The 1er captures lots of that with its size and personality, but IMO it falls short when you look at the disappointing weight, the 1er is a heavy fat ars car. very nice writeup and excellent car for sure. The only thing I don’t like about this car is how fast its body gets rusted but that’s almost the case with all cars in that era, the CS was even worse with it’s Italian build chasses.

The 1er captures lots of that with its size and personality, but IMO it falls short when you look at the disappointing weight, the 1er is a heavy fat ars car.

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]]> By: Gragop http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/12/16/the-first-3-the-follow-through/comment-page-1/#comment-76715 Gragop Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:23:07 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=6845#comment-76715 @<a href="#comment-76711" rel="nofollow">Marc</a>: @<a href="#comment-76695" rel="nofollow">Javier</a>: @<a href="#comment-76685" rel="nofollow">adood84</a>: What's funny is I agree with all you guys. Back in March I had about 1 month left on my lease for an E46 325Ci. I put down a deposit on an E92 328i then moved it to a 135i when I realized I could snag one of the first ones specced the way I wanted it for a price very close to the 328. I ended up pulling the deposit and buying out my E46 for money reasons and not wanting to buy a car I'd never driven but I wanted the 1er for the smaller car feel that BMW is currently lacking. I like the E90/1/2 models a lot but they've become more of a low displacement GT car than a sports car/saloon like they used to be. That and the idea of owning a car for 5 to 7 years with the level of electronics on major functions like the engine, gearbox, etc. found in the E9X's scares me. @Marc: @Javier: @adood84:

What’s funny is I agree with all you guys. Back in March I had about 1 month left on my lease for an E46 325Ci. I put down a deposit on an E92 328i then moved it to a 135i when I realized I could snag one of the first ones specced the way I wanted it for a price very close to the 328. I ended up pulling the deposit and buying out my E46 for money reasons and not wanting to buy a car I’d never driven but I wanted the 1er for the smaller car feel that BMW is currently lacking. I like the E90/1/2 models a lot but they’ve become more of a low displacement GT car than a sports car/saloon like they used to be.

That and the idea of owning a car for 5 to 7 years with the level of electronics on major functions like the engine, gearbox, etc. found in the E9X’s scares me.

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]]> By: Marc http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/12/16/the-first-3-the-follow-through/comment-page-1/#comment-76711 Marc Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:10:53 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=6845#comment-76711 Sweet writeup Andrew! I agree that the current 3er is pretty big. Part of the reason I got a 1er instead of a 3er coupe. Sweet writeup Andrew! I agree that the current 3er is pretty big. Part of the reason I got a 1er instead of a 3er coupe.

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]]> By: Javier http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/12/16/the-first-3-the-follow-through/comment-page-1/#comment-76695 Javier Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:02:38 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=6845#comment-76695 and those E9x are big-fat cars that don't capture that old essence at all :( and those E9x are big-fat cars that don’t capture that old essence at all :(

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]]> By: adood84 http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/12/16/the-first-3-the-follow-through/comment-page-1/#comment-76685 adood84 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:48:11 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=6845#comment-76685 I do believe the 135i has captured some of that old BMW essence and thats why I have ordered one I do believe the 135i has captured some of that old BMW essence and thats why I have ordered one

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