The LA Auto Show is calming down now and company officials from every car maker present are giving rather interesting interviews. One of the most interesting ones comes from Road & Track, the publication sitting down for a couple of minutes with none other than Klaus Frohlich, the BMW research and development boss. He’s also the one who gave a rather famous quote a while back, saying he doesn’t want to hear about how good the E46 M3 CSL was. Today though, he’s talking about the future, the upcoming BMW M4 and confirms a couple of our reports.
About a month ago I told you that there’s a high probability that the upcoming M3 and M4 models will still be offered with a manual gearbox. Furthermore, BMW M would offer you the ‘luxury’ of choosing whether you want a pure RWD model or an AWD one, as the M xDrive system could be introduced on the upcoming models. Well, this week, the R&D boss confirmed our reports in a rather surprising straightforward manner.
Usually, high-ranking executives shy away from making clear statements about upcoming models. Some do it because they want to keep the mystery alive until the car is actually revealed while others do it because there’s still work to be done. In this case though, Frohlich simply confirmed both our reports. As far as the manual gearbox goes, he claims time is running out for it, for a number of reasons.
“I think, in the overall portfolio, manuals will disappear. But I think M4 should be the fortress of manual. So the last manual transmission which will die, it should die in an M4, as late as possible. That’s my view,” Frohlich said. “I think it should survive in the next generation of M4,” he added. “The successors [to the current M3 and M4] are all in the pipeline. And so my promise is, yes, there will be a manual in the successor to M4.”
As for why the manual gearboxes will fade away, the reasons are pretty obvious: costs and demand. “Because we have these turbocharged engines with 600 N-m [roughly 443 lb-ft] of torque, to develop such a high-torque manual transmission for such a small volume isn’t profitable at all. So I tried to prolong the lifetime of the manuals, but we can’t invest in developing a new manual transmission. No transmission partner will do that with us. So we are evolving our existing manuals as long as possible.”
To top everything off, Frohlich also chipped in on the all-wheel drive topic, saying that while the market will mostly prefer rear-wheel drive still, an all-wheel drive model will also be on offer. “[But] especially in the M3, M4 side, I think there is still a big market for pure rear-wheel drive. M4 is our icon. This car will be rear-wheel drive,” he said. “But we will have an all-wheel drive derivative too.” So there you have it. The upcoming BMW M3 and M4 models will surely be quite interesting, to say the least.
so customer have choices thats good no one can complain now
Knowing the 6MT is approaching its limits and there will be no further new design is hardly comforting news.
I guess we were right on our reporting :)
The true cause of demise of M/T in M cars is rather complex one. As I see it, one of the reasons was that M/T in M cars wasn´t all that good. (Mazda and Honda make a much better M/T) BMW Product Development Division has a long time ago abandoned a major improvement work on M/T as demand for it dwindled. Why? It all started with F1 race cars in the nineties and since then it became “cool” and acceptable to have an A/T in sports cars. And yes, it was so easy to fall for it……:-D
.58-year-old Frohlich said. So, put simply, we’ll have a manual performance BMW for at least another 10 years or so.
But BMW’s plans to eventually kill the three-pedal versions are not motivated just by the fact that’s it’s easier and cheaper for the company to offer a simplified engine and transmission range, but because modern cars are getting more and more powerful. And that’s clearly a challenge for the manuals.
“Because we have these turbocharged engines with 600 Nm of torque, to develop such a high-torque manual transmission for such a small volume isn’t profitable at all. So I tried to prolong the lifetime of the manuals, but we can’t invest in developing a new manual transmission.”
Also the fact that paying customers aren’t buying it. When’s the last time you drove in rush hour gridlock with a stick?
Still doing it and enjoying it…..:-DDD
So a volume manufacturer like BMW is supposed to continue with a 20th. century tech. that Ferrari abandoned years ago? When’s the last time an F1 car had a stick? What r u ladies typing on? Analog, manual or digital? Or do you just dictate into your Siri? If she still takes yr. calls…
I hear that argument a lot. But apparently there is still a healthy segment of buyers who want manuals. I chose my current BMW over the Alfa Romeo because they don’t have it in the US. Ferrari or Lamborghini? I actually wouldn’t want a car like that – with the lack of a manual transmission being a key factor. I’m not a F1 race car driver and I don’t need more horsepower or electronic gizmos than are currently offered.
And I suspect there will always be some manufacturer that will produce cars with manual transmission and with the fun of driving and a more controlled experience in mind. I hope BMW will continue on even if the choices become more limited with most cars now being sold with executive fleets and soccer moms in mind.
What is yr. 1st language?
Also yr. sources?
This.
Only 600 Nm for the new M3 G80, because of the manual transmission, when two combined 1.5 l R3 from the i8 already deliver 640 Nm?