Comments on: Update: Cadillac CTS-V Challenge – Challenger and his BMW M3 faster than Lutz’s CTS-V

By: X5SoB

X5SoB — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:01:52 +0000

It’s nice to see a fresh-face kid in an M3 wipe the smug off of Bob Lutz and Wes Siler’s faces… Go BMW!
If we’d had ringers too, BMW would have won outright!

By: dr

dr — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:37:34 +0000

I’d be relying on the driver – and yes, I’m happy to create the laughs that go along with this. ;^)

By: Jordan

Jordan — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:37:13 +0000

dr you’re having illusions. this is a BMW forum, not a dodge or any other car manufacturer forum for that matter. flaming everyone on here is only giving you a bad name since most things you say are quite skewed and inaccurate and no one is going to take to heart what you say!

just pick one thing that you’re gonna do and do it well, instead of doing everything mediocre. so if you’re gonna be a flammer, flame hard! and flame everyone that you can see with all your flamming power! or if you’re gonna be a dodge fanboy, go to the dodge forums and support dodge like you’ve never supported them before!

thanks!

By: Jordan

Jordan — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:31:33 +0000

you actually think ur fat heavy dodge truck could beat a car 3000lbs lighter on a track?! hahaha….. go play with your truck in the dirt where it belongs and leave the sports cars to the track.

By: dr

dr — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:29:30 +0000

Craftsmanship is your dining room table. How is that any measure of an ultimate driving machine? I am standing right beside one of Schumacher’s F1 units right now and craftsmanship is not present anywhere on this wonderful little car (yeah they are kinda small in person compared to seeing them on television).

By: dr

dr — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:22:15 +0000

You actually think an M3 is anything at all!? Now there’s a low set of personal standards.

By: Jordan

Jordan — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:20:50 +0000

sorry… you’re actually about 3000lbs heavier using a Dodge 3500 with Mega Cab

By: Jordan

Jordan — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:19:22 +0000

lol the funny part is you’re actually serious….. you must have no concept of weight. you’re more than 2000lbs heavier than the CTS-V…

By: dr

dr — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:13:52 +0000

Dodge 1-ton, mega cab 4X4 cummins turbo diesel, 6-speed manual, 35 X 12.5 BFG A/Ts… and laughingly serious… bet I’d have been better than last place in this sorry gang.

By: Doug

Doug — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:32:13 +0000

Yeah, now that you mention it I remember those controversies. I think many people were also against the proliferation of SUVs for various reasons (those wackos!).

The detroit (gm, i think) carbon article was a cover story in “discover” mag about 10-15 years ago. They also had a feature around that time about the readiness of carbon-fiber electric flywheels that could store huge amounts of energy but they never made into detroitmobiles either.

By: Giom

Giom — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 05:31:31 +0000

Lol, get your point about the Cadillac niche… very funny!

I read a lot of car magazines – both US and UK versions. I also read their internet forums and I honestly get the feeling that ppl think the X6, X3, GT and now X1 are niche models that no one asked for. (Yet they sell…!!?)
I disagree. To me, it’s a company that listens to their buyer – capturing the guy that might look elswere for something specific. Nothing wrong with that.

I didn’t know that bit about GM and their carbon production process – that is forward thinking. I just think that the US has other industries that are way ahead of the car industry – Boeing for one. It’s strange that the automotive industry couln’t stay ahead like Boeing does in the aviation industry. Over.

By: Doug

Doug — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:06:37 +0000

But Giom, Cadillac IS a niche model! It’s a fast sedan with poor steering feel and a design that’s outstayed its welcome. :)

Actually I don’t know what you mean about people criticizing BMW. Aside from it being perceived as snooty sometimes and certain of its design choices, it’s always had an excellent reputation, including in the US.

But american companies haven’t had any shortage of good ideas, they just continually get shut down by the complicated politics of the auto industry. For example, I think GM was the first to develop a mass-production process for carbon fiber uni-bodies, but it was ditched because of the investment in and infrastructure in place for steel.

By: Giom

Giom — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 06:48:37 +0000

Yes Doug, but they’re still following. If it was BMW trying to match something Cadillac did first – that would be a proud moment for America. But it’s always easyer to follow-up with something greater than the origional once the recipe has been defined.

Everybody is always having a crack at BMW for coming up with ‘nich’ models, but that’s how they got to the 3-series and other subsequent winners. Wouldn’t it benefit Cadillac to come up with new ideas – they’ve got the market…

By: Doug

Doug — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:16:41 +0000

You know…. although I’m rooting for BMW, I can’t help feel something for Caddy’s accomplishment here. It may or may not be pride, but it’s definitely relief that an american car company has accomplished something. Even if I swore I’d never buy a CTS after driving it (zero steering feedback), it’s good that they accomplished this.

By: RiFo

RiFo — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:51:49 +0000

Awesome !! Way to go M3 :)

By: Jordan

Jordan — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:48:23 +0000

Haha i like your thinking Giom!… i think we should help Mr Lutz out and call the competition ourself and see if he shows up in his CTS-V

By: Giom

Giom — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:11:15 +0000

So, come 2011, I’m looking forward to Bob calling the same competition against the new M5!

What, he wouln’t? Are you sure?

By: Harish Kumar

Harish Kumar — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:19:32 +0000

I’m not so sure. The report says CTS-V’s were driven by professional drivers and journos..Wonder what the M3 and the M5 could have done in those hands? M3 would have been much quicker..That’s for sure.

M3 for me!

By: Samir

Samir — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:12:35 +0000

Sorry guys, but I rather drive an E28 5 series instead of the CTS. Disagree with me all u want, but I prefer REAL craftsmanship.

By: lennardt

lennardt — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:56:58 +0000

Isn’t this a bit embarrasing for chevy? Four of seven cars, probably all tuned, are behind the M3, the BMWs are the best placed cars after the CTVs, which were driven by professionals, I guess ( well, the first three for sure..).
And in the Video you can see, that the M3 is absolutely the best looking car at that track. M5 is just a bit to heavy in my opinion to be really good at the track and manual transmission is also what I would prefer. I don’t like the tendency of cars which get bigger and bigger every generation.
Still I think both Michaels did a good job. Congratulations! :-)