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	<title>Comments on: BMW Shows Off Their Future Heat Energy Recovery Technology</title>
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		<title>By: The Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/20/bmw-shows-off-their-future-heat-energy-recovery-technology/#comment-164160</link>
		<dc:creator>The Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We replace countless window regulators in E46s, E39s and E53s on a regular basis.  Their &quot;great engineers&quot; really screwed the pooch on those things.  The cable and pulley system is absolute garbage.  Same goes with the cable systems in primarily E34 and E39 seats (have yet to see if they got any better with the E60, time will tell).

Cyclone seperators.  If you&#039;re not familiar with that phrase and you drive something with an M54 in it, you&#039;d better read up as you&#039;ll be replacing it at some point in the not-so-distant future.

The rear subframe on the E46 is weak.  Or, more accurately, the portion of the unibody where the subframe mounts to is weak.  Woo hoo for unreinforced sheet metal!  I&#039;m a bit jaded about that issue particularly as I had to take a $20k loss on my E46 M3 because of it.  Thank you, BMW.  We&#039;ve seen (and repaired using the Turner Motorsport kit) a few cracked rear subframe mounts.

Just be glad it&#039;s not an E36...  They had weak front &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; rear subframe/strut towers.  There&#039;s nothing quite like having to hack and weld on your otherwise OEM car because BMW just didn&#039;t put much thought into mounting an integral portion of the car&#039;s chassis to tissue paper.

Then we get into sunroof cassettes.  I&#039;ve seen them fail as early as 35k miles (but out of warranty due to age).  Most of them manage to somehow make it to 100k.  The dual-sunroof cassette in my E34 touring is trash, too, but with 262k+ miles, I&#039;ll give it a break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We replace countless window regulators in E46s, E39s and E53s on a regular basis.  Their &#8220;great engineers&#8221; really screwed the pooch on those things.  The cable and pulley system is absolute garbage.  Same goes with the cable systems in primarily E34 and E39 seats (have yet to see if they got any better with the E60, time will tell).</p>
<p>Cyclone seperators.  If you&#8217;re not familiar with that phrase and you drive something with an M54 in it, you&#8217;d better read up as you&#8217;ll be replacing it at some point in the not-so-distant future.</p>
<p>The rear subframe on the E46 is weak.  Or, more accurately, the portion of the unibody where the subframe mounts to is weak.  Woo hoo for unreinforced sheet metal!  I&#8217;m a bit jaded about that issue particularly as I had to take a $20k loss on my E46 M3 because of it.  Thank you, BMW.  We&#8217;ve seen (and repaired using the Turner Motorsport kit) a few cracked rear subframe mounts.</p>
<p>Just be glad it&#8217;s not an E36&#8230;  They had weak front <i>and</i> rear subframe/strut towers.  There&#8217;s nothing quite like having to hack and weld on your otherwise OEM car because BMW just didn&#8217;t put much thought into mounting an integral portion of the car&#8217;s chassis to tissue paper.</p>
<p>Then we get into sunroof cassettes.  I&#8217;ve seen them fail as early as 35k miles (but out of warranty due to age).  Most of them manage to somehow make it to 100k.  The dual-sunroof cassette in my E34 touring is trash, too, but with 262k+ miles, I&#8217;ll give it a break.</p>
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		<title>By: wazon</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/20/bmw-shows-off-their-future-heat-energy-recovery-technology/#comment-161523</link>
		<dc:creator>wazon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuffs about which you usually reveal after some time of using a car and milage(especially, problems with water pumps in E36). Contrary to it, overheating of engine with properely working cooling system is something that you can totally check right now. It&#039;s enough to push a car hard. It&#039;s not plausible at all that such easy to discover malfunction would pass pre-production tests. 

BTW, I haven&#039;t heard about particular problem with window regulator in E46 (I even had 330ci E46 and hadn&#039;t noticed it) and suppose when it appeared, it came from bigger malfunction of electric net with which few of my friends told me. The biggest problem with E46 about which I know is problem with fasten of rear axle to platform in early production models. But once again, it&#039;s something that revealed after some milage and not in each E46 from early production phase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuffs about which you usually reveal after some time of using a car and milage(especially, problems with water pumps in E36). Contrary to it, overheating of engine with properely working cooling system is something that you can totally check right now. It&#8217;s enough to push a car hard. It&#8217;s not plausible at all that such easy to discover malfunction would pass pre-production tests. </p>
<p>BTW, I haven&#8217;t heard about particular problem with window regulator in E46 (I even had 330ci E46 and hadn&#8217;t noticed it) and suppose when it appeared, it came from bigger malfunction of electric net with which few of my friends told me. The biggest problem with E46 about which I know is problem with fasten of rear axle to platform in early production models. But once again, it&#8217;s something that revealed after some milage and not in each E46 from early production phase.</p>
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		<title>By: X5 SoB</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/20/bmw-shows-off-their-future-heat-energy-recovery-technology/#comment-161492</link>
		<dc:creator>X5 SoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re saying that BMW doesn&#039;t have &quot;too great engineers&quot;? Heresy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re saying that BMW doesn&#8217;t have &#8220;too great engineers&#8221;? Heresy!</p>
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		<title>By: The Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/20/bmw-shows-off-their-future-heat-energy-recovery-technology/#comment-160830</link>
		<dc:creator>The Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m as big a BMW fan as anyone else on this blog, but I can&#039;t really agree with that statement of &quot;BMW has too great engineers to make such simple and stupid mistake, so if it appeared in production, it would work well for sure.&quot;

Ask anyone with an E46 or newer BMW about window regulators.  Ask the E36 (and other M50/52 platforms) about water pumps.  Ask the N62 guys about the vacuum pump and its tendency to flood the brake booster with oil...

The bottom line is that these systems are designed by humans, which inherently will make mistakes.  I&#039;d even go as far as to say that BMW (and every other car manufacturer on this earth) doesn&#039;t spend nearly enough time in R&amp;D testing a vehicle before launch.  It&#039;s just simply not realistic given the market demands of churning out a new model NOW!

There will be issues, and I&#039;m sure BMW will either continue to resolve the issues as they come to light (many will likely be after the vehicle&#039;s launch) or they&#039;ll just scrap the idea before even implementing it on a retail vehicle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m as big a BMW fan as anyone else on this blog, but I can&#8217;t really agree with that statement of &#8220;BMW has too great engineers to make such simple and stupid mistake, so if it appeared in production, it would work well for sure.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ask anyone with an E46 or newer BMW about window regulators.  Ask the E36 (and other M50/52 platforms) about water pumps.  Ask the N62 guys about the vacuum pump and its tendency to flood the brake booster with oil&#8230;</p>
<p>The bottom line is that these systems are designed by humans, which inherently will make mistakes.  I&#8217;d even go as far as to say that BMW (and every other car manufacturer on this earth) doesn&#8217;t spend nearly enough time in R&amp;D testing a vehicle before launch.  It&#8217;s just simply not realistic given the market demands of churning out a new model NOW!</p>
<p>There will be issues, and I&#8217;m sure BMW will either continue to resolve the issues as they come to light (many will likely be after the vehicle&#8217;s launch) or they&#8217;ll just scrap the idea before even implementing it on a retail vehicle.</p>
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		<title>By: wazon</title>
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		<dc:creator>wazon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t worry about overheating coming from using system that keeps engine warm. BMW has too great engineers to make such simple and stupid mistake, so if it appeared in production, it would work well for sure. And if it indeed worked, I would be glad to have such system in my car, since I hate cold start after night, espacially that in winter I have minus 10 or minus 15 degree of Celcius outside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t worry about overheating coming from using system that keeps engine warm. BMW has too great engineers to make such simple and stupid mistake, so if it appeared in production, it would work well for sure. And if it indeed worked, I would be glad to have such system in my car, since I hate cold start after night, espacially that in winter I have minus 10 or minus 15 degree of Celcius outside.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/20/bmw-shows-off-their-future-heat-energy-recovery-technology/#comment-160674</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.  Engine Snuggie.

The problem with all of these is that they&#039;re so unfocused.   What carmakers need to do is develop a thermally insulating coating for the cylinders, pistons, heads and exhaust manifolds so the heat is focused tightly for a very high temp differential  (and never gets into the engine block or dissipates to other components).  There are some composites that do this quite well, used on theof the  leading edges on some aerospace applications. 

Having concentrated most of the heat energy on the exhaust, you add an air-to-air or air-to-water thermocouple there, perhaps combined with a catalytic converter (assuming it&#039;s not cooled too much).   THe temperature differential will be enourmous, and you will gain FAR more power from a much smaller, simpler unit.   Additionally, you will save weight on water/plumbing/radator as well as exhaust system since that has been condensed.

All these scattered parts gathering a few percent of the wasted thermal energy is not really shooting high enough.

However, the electric shock idea is a very good one (I think Bose owns the patents on this though).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.  Engine Snuggie.</p>
<p>The problem with all of these is that they&#8217;re so unfocused.   What carmakers need to do is develop a thermally insulating coating for the cylinders, pistons, heads and exhaust manifolds so the heat is focused tightly for a very high temp differential  (and never gets into the engine block or dissipates to other components).  There are some composites that do this quite well, used on theof the  leading edges on some aerospace applications. </p>
<p>Having concentrated most of the heat energy on the exhaust, you add an air-to-air or air-to-water thermocouple there, perhaps combined with a catalytic converter (assuming it&#8217;s not cooled too much).   THe temperature differential will be enourmous, and you will gain FAR more power from a much smaller, simpler unit.   Additionally, you will save weight on water/plumbing/radator as well as exhaust system since that has been condensed.</p>
<p>All these scattered parts gathering a few percent of the wasted thermal energy is not really shooting high enough.</p>
<p>However, the electric shock idea is a very good one (I think Bose owns the patents on this though).</p>
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		<title>By: The Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure.  A lot of BMW&#039;s systems rely on nothing bad happening in the first place.

The same thermodynamics that make the BMW EngineSnuggie work to improve efficiency at start-up apply when the engine builds up excess heat either due to a malfunctioning (neglected) cooling system or simply stuck in stop-and-go traffic in a warm environment.

The concept is sound.  I can absolutely see where BMW is &lt;i&gt;going&lt;/i&gt; with this...  I&#039;m just not sure that it will turn out to be a fantastic idea in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure.  A lot of BMW&#8217;s systems rely on nothing bad happening in the first place.</p>
<p>The same thermodynamics that make the BMW EngineSnuggie work to improve efficiency at start-up apply when the engine builds up excess heat either due to a malfunctioning (neglected) cooling system or simply stuck in stop-and-go traffic in a warm environment.</p>
<p>The concept is sound.  I can absolutely see where BMW is <i>going</i> with this&#8230;  I&#8217;m just not sure that it will turn out to be a fantastic idea in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: KidrauhlM5</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/20/bmw-shows-off-their-future-heat-energy-recovery-technology/#comment-160619</link>
		<dc:creator>KidrauhlM5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BMW is really pushing this to the limit... I think after their no longer involvement in F1, the can concentrate to this more and help to save our earth... This is looking good to be honest... Great job BMW!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BMW is really pushing this to the limit&#8230; I think after their no longer involvement in F1, the can concentrate to this more and help to save our earth&#8230; This is looking good to be honest&#8230; Great job BMW!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Horatiu B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horatiu B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a feeling they got that part covered :) It&#039;s still great to see that automakers are pushing the envelope all the time. While some of the things we see or hear might not see the daylight, the research process can give some great ideas in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a feeling they got that part covered :) It&#8217;s still great to see that automakers are pushing the envelope all the time. While some of the things we see or hear might not see the daylight, the research process can give some great ideas in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: X5SoB</title>
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		<dc:creator>X5SoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The KERS technology seems to offer more promise than wrapping the engine in a thermos. The main thing most engineers try to do is PREVENT the engine from overheating. Wouldn&#039;t this this cause all kinds of damage, from seals to electrical to hoses to etc?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The KERS technology seems to offer more promise than wrapping the engine in a thermos. The main thing most engineers try to do is PREVENT the engine from overheating. Wouldn&#8217;t this this cause all kinds of damage, from seals to electrical to hoses to etc?</p>
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		<title>By: Beach</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/20/bmw-shows-off-their-future-heat-energy-recovery-technology/#comment-160490</link>
		<dc:creator>Beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s really hot! No, really, HOT! I like their energy recovery shock absorbers, that seems like a truly innovative way to generate power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s really hot! No, really, HOT! I like their energy recovery shock absorbers, that seems like a truly innovative way to generate power.</p>
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