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		<title>By: Cialis Online</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/13/editorial-m-division-losing-touch-with-history/#comment-252541</link>
		<dc:creator>Cialis Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: :p</title>
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		<dc:creator>:p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well i hope they make supercharged M engines that can reach 7000+ RPMs. I like to see some 650+ hp in the 2016 M5 and at least 500+ hp in the next M3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well i hope they make supercharged M engines that can reach 7000+ RPMs. I like to see some 650+ hp in the 2016 M5 and at least 500+ hp in the next M3</p>
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		<title>By: lennardt</title>
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		<dc:creator>lennardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hate automatic, too, but hydrogenengines will (i hope) never be the best thing to drive. hydrogen 
-is more expensive than petrol (and it will be),
-it&#039;s danger (ok, that can be handeled in the car, but I&#039;m talking about transporting it to fuelstations etc.),
- it diffuses through tanks very fast (I anything about half of a tank is empty after two weeks)
- and to produce H2 you need a lot of energy.
So at all it would be not my first choice..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hate automatic, too, but hydrogenengines will (i hope) never be the best thing to drive. hydrogen<br />
-is more expensive than petrol (and it will be),<br />
-it&#8217;s danger (ok, that can be handeled in the car, but I&#8217;m talking about transporting it to fuelstations etc.),<br />
- it diffuses through tanks very fast (I anything about half of a tank is empty after two weeks)<br />
- and to produce H2 you need a lot of energy.<br />
So at all it would be not my first choice..</p>
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		<title>By: lennardt</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/13/editorial-m-division-losing-touch-with-history/#comment-160686</link>
		<dc:creator>lennardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always liked it, that other manufacturers had to make turbocharged engines to get the power of BMW-engines of the same size, because it showed the advantage of technology which BMW has and of course it&#039;s a pleasure if a car reaches high rev and the persons inside can&#039;t do anything else but smile :-)
But I think (or hope) the BMW-engines will combine the high revs with turbo. A cousin of mine tested the X6 M and he said its really a beast. The next years will show, if ///M loses it&#039;s charm or not. An M1 (hmm i mean the coupe of 1series as an M-car, not the legendary M1) with a 2 litre and very high-speeding fourcylinder like the E30 M3 would be a nice thing. I don&#039;t like the cars getting bigger and bigger and heavier and heavier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always liked it, that other manufacturers had to make turbocharged engines to get the power of BMW-engines of the same size, because it showed the advantage of technology which BMW has and of course it&#8217;s a pleasure if a car reaches high rev and the persons inside can&#8217;t do anything else but smile :-)<br />
But I think (or hope) the BMW-engines will combine the high revs with turbo. A cousin of mine tested the X6 M and he said its really a beast. The next years will show, if ///M loses it&#8217;s charm or not. An M1 (hmm i mean the coupe of 1series as an M-car, not the legendary M1) with a 2 litre and very high-speeding fourcylinder like the E30 M3 would be a nice thing. I don&#8217;t like the cars getting bigger and bigger and heavier and heavier.</p>
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		<title>By: My Favorites on 10/16/09 &#124; JAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Favorites on 10/16/09 &#124; JAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: My Favorites on 10/15/09 &#124; JAL</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/13/editorial-m-division-losing-touch-with-history/#comment-159092</link>
		<dc:creator>My Favorites on 10/15/09 &#124; JAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jon H</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/13/editorial-m-division-losing-touch-with-history/#comment-158684</link>
		<dc:creator>jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kinda like i miss choosing my own gears...but not like I don&#039;t miss rolling my own windows down.  where does it end? does it end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kinda like i miss choosing my own gears&#8230;but not like I don&#8217;t miss rolling my own windows down.  where does it end? does it end?</p>
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		<title>By: jon H</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/13/editorial-m-division-losing-touch-with-history/#comment-158682</link>
		<dc:creator>jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  The wrong way to look at this is by saying is this wrong.  We should be excitedly awaiting new creations from the worlds most creative and exciting automaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  The wrong way to look at this is by saying is this wrong.  We should be excitedly awaiting new creations from the worlds most creative and exciting automaker.</p>
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		<title>By: jon H</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/13/editorial-m-division-losing-touch-with-history/#comment-158681</link>
		<dc:creator>jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I mean, a four cylinder isn’t what you’d call sporty.&quot;

.....really?  Not sporty like sayyyyy miata? s2000? The successor to all modern BMWs the 2002? For 1988 a 200hp 4cyl was more than sporty.  It was almost exotic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I mean, a four cylinder isn’t what you’d call sporty.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;..really?  Not sporty like sayyyyy miata? s2000? The successor to all modern BMWs the 2002? For 1988 a 200hp 4cyl was more than sporty.  It was almost exotic.</p>
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		<title>By: bw</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/13/editorial-m-division-losing-touch-with-history/#comment-158667</link>
		<dc:creator>bw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what I miss? The sound of a modem making a connection to the internet with that symphony of eeeeeeerrrrrrrrraaaaaahhhhhheeeerrrrrrrrrtt!

Those were the days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what I miss? The sound of a modem making a connection to the internet with that symphony of eeeeeeerrrrrrrrraaaaaahhhhhheeeerrrrrrrrrtt!</p>
<p>Those were the days.</p>
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		<title>By: Babken</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/13/editorial-m-division-losing-touch-with-history/#comment-158665</link>
		<dc:creator>Babken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friends,
Since it&#039;s M it&#039;s the greatest automobile in the world. And if M engineers decided to make turbo engines, you won&#039;t be disappointed. At least reviewers who have driven X5 M and X6 M say those cars are incredible. So M turbocharged engines are real masterpieces. I&#039;m just looking forward to the next generation M5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friends,<br />
Since it&#8217;s M it&#8217;s the greatest automobile in the world. And if M engineers decided to make turbo engines, you won&#8217;t be disappointed. At least reviewers who have driven X5 M and X6 M say those cars are incredible. So M turbocharged engines are real masterpieces. I&#8217;m just looking forward to the next generation M5.</p>
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		<title>By: wazon</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/13/editorial-m-division-losing-touch-with-history/#comment-158505</link>
		<dc:creator>wazon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that some things will stay unique for BMW. First, it will be great handling and great handling once again. Applying lighter engine will make achieving of balance 50/50 even easier than when heavier power plant is applied. It&#039;s something that puts BMW in opposition to all muscle car and it something that you won&#039;t find in Benz or Audi. Switching to turbo doesn&#039;t mean that they have to take driving pleasure away from their cars. Actually, I believe that upcoming cars will present great improvement in this area. Second, BMW&#039;s recipe on turbo engines is unique eighter. They use small turbos mainly to increase torgue, small turbos generating pretty small pressure (it&#039;s ONLY 0.2 bar in 35i engine). It&#039;s something against muscle car philosophy eighter, which - as I understand it - would demand from car maker producing as powerful engines as possible and in discussed case using charges generating a greater pressure than 0.2 bara. These two things are continuation of M philosophy, although it&#039;s applied to twin-turbo era, I feel M-ness in these cars and believe that you will feel it eighter, if not right now, you will find the difference between it and other cars, when you drive brand new M-product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that some things will stay unique for BMW. First, it will be great handling and great handling once again. Applying lighter engine will make achieving of balance 50/50 even easier than when heavier power plant is applied. It&#8217;s something that puts BMW in opposition to all muscle car and it something that you won&#8217;t find in Benz or Audi. Switching to turbo doesn&#8217;t mean that they have to take driving pleasure away from their cars. Actually, I believe that upcoming cars will present great improvement in this area. Second, BMW&#8217;s recipe on turbo engines is unique eighter. They use small turbos mainly to increase torgue, small turbos generating pretty small pressure (it&#8217;s ONLY 0.2 bar in 35i engine). It&#8217;s something against muscle car philosophy eighter, which &#8211; as I understand it &#8211; would demand from car maker producing as powerful engines as possible and in discussed case using charges generating a greater pressure than 0.2 bara. These two things are continuation of M philosophy, although it&#8217;s applied to twin-turbo era, I feel M-ness in these cars and believe that you will feel it eighter, if not right now, you will find the difference between it and other cars, when you drive brand new M-product.</p>
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		<title>By: gman</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/13/editorial-m-division-losing-touch-with-history/#comment-158485</link>
		<dc:creator>gman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m disappointed with the move to turbo motors but my biggest issue with the M guys is the cost of the cars.  My salary hasn&#039;t increased at the same rate as the cost of the cars.  It appears my e46 m3 will be my last M car that I will be able to afford that&#039;s within 10 years of the model year of production.  I wish there was a less costly performance oriented M car I could buy...</description>
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		<title>By: Auday</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/13/editorial-m-division-losing-touch-with-history/#comment-158484</link>
		<dc:creator>Auday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrew, Wazon, and Matt Stoke:

It seems that we all agree on it, but that we are seeing it in different ways, for me the summary is:

- BMW has to step up to the HP war and have more HP in the new M5 for marketing reasons, and we agree that this is not the spirit of  M cars, M Cars are about balancing HP with handling, control, and feedback. The original M cars essence put them on the opposite side of muscle cars, while it seems that Audi and MB are dragging the Sport sedans towards the center or even closer to the muscle cars.

- BMW HAS TO reduce cost in order to be competitive and make profit (although they are already one of the most profitable companies, but hell yeah if they could make more profit then why not).

- BMW has to attract other customers who don&#039;t understand or dont appreciate a sports car engine with peaky torque and high revs, so BMW has to compromise and go for more muscle car like engine. They already had to compromise feedback and roughness with smoother and softer E60M5 and E92M3.

- BMW has to reduce emissions but without increasing costs, and perfectly engineered N/A engines are more expensive to develop, uses expensive materials, and built on such precision to  go up to 9k rpm without a problem. and all that means the car costs extra and the maintenance is even more.

all the Has to/had to statement are related to marketing, cost, new M customers, ,,,etc , non of them is about making a better car, keeping the legend of the M brand that gave BMW that great reputation, keeping the enthusiasts who fuel that reputation satisfied, or to say the least caring about making a better sports car in the definition that M Div engineers talked/bragged about for 30 yeas. 

For us, those &quot;has to&quot; statements mean nothing, we don&#039;t have shares in BMW, and we are not married to the corporate to worry about their sheet numbers and profits. We need to say it, that from our perspective we don&#039;t like that a bit, otherwise they might continue this surge and we would end up with a MB kind of car that has a BMW logo on it (MB themselves had to go through lots of other kind of compromising, way before BMW, and look where this took them in the long run).

From my perspective, whatever justifications we listed, they dont change the fact that the new M cars have very little M-ness in them and if they change the high-revving, peacky multi-throttle engine they will have almost 0 M-ness left in them, except for the logo and it&#039;s already loosing it&#039;s appeal and reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrew, Wazon, and Matt Stoke:</p>
<p>It seems that we all agree on it, but that we are seeing it in different ways, for me the summary is:</p>
<p>- BMW has to step up to the HP war and have more HP in the new M5 for marketing reasons, and we agree that this is not the spirit of  M cars, M Cars are about balancing HP with handling, control, and feedback. The original M cars essence put them on the opposite side of muscle cars, while it seems that Audi and MB are dragging the Sport sedans towards the center or even closer to the muscle cars.</p>
<p>- BMW HAS TO reduce cost in order to be competitive and make profit (although they are already one of the most profitable companies, but hell yeah if they could make more profit then why not).</p>
<p>- BMW has to attract other customers who don&#8217;t understand or dont appreciate a sports car engine with peaky torque and high revs, so BMW has to compromise and go for more muscle car like engine. They already had to compromise feedback and roughness with smoother and softer E60M5 and E92M3.</p>
<p>- BMW has to reduce emissions but without increasing costs, and perfectly engineered N/A engines are more expensive to develop, uses expensive materials, and built on such precision to  go up to 9k rpm without a problem. and all that means the car costs extra and the maintenance is even more.</p>
<p>all the Has to/had to statement are related to marketing, cost, new M customers, ,,,etc , non of them is about making a better car, keeping the legend of the M brand that gave BMW that great reputation, keeping the enthusiasts who fuel that reputation satisfied, or to say the least caring about making a better sports car in the definition that M Div engineers talked/bragged about for 30 yeas. </p>
<p>For us, those &#8220;has to&#8221; statements mean nothing, we don&#8217;t have shares in BMW, and we are not married to the corporate to worry about their sheet numbers and profits. We need to say it, that from our perspective we don&#8217;t like that a bit, otherwise they might continue this surge and we would end up with a MB kind of car that has a BMW logo on it (MB themselves had to go through lots of other kind of compromising, way before BMW, and look where this took them in the long run).</p>
<p>From my perspective, whatever justifications we listed, they dont change the fact that the new M cars have very little M-ness in them and if they change the high-revving, peacky multi-throttle engine they will have almost 0 M-ness left in them, except for the logo and it&#8217;s already loosing it&#8217;s appeal and reputation.</p>
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		<title>By: Reziko Bitsadze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reziko Bitsadze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good article, I think turbocharged engine for M3 and M5 won&#039;t be tha bad and it&#039;s not the end of the world but it&#039;s time for BMW to produce real super car with monster engine, high-price tag and Exterior and that car should be next-gen BMW M6, I mena M3 M5 with turbo-charged engines and M real luxry car. It&#039;s time to break a record there mus tbe BMW for wealthy people as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article, I think turbocharged engine for M3 and M5 won&#8217;t be tha bad and it&#8217;s not the end of the world but it&#8217;s time for BMW to produce real super car with monster engine, high-price tag and Exterior and that car should be next-gen BMW M6, I mena M3 M5 with turbo-charged engines and M real luxry car. It&#8217;s time to break a record there mus tbe BMW for wealthy people as well!</p>
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		<title>By: L1ndja</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/13/editorial-m-division-losing-touch-with-history/#comment-158435</link>
		<dc:creator>L1ndja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh i almost forgot...Im sry to express myself like this.But i hate these fucking automatic gearboxes.They should really have kept the manual as a standard and ofcourse for thouse who want selfshifter let them have ..But what about thous who dont?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh i almost forgot&#8230;Im sry to express myself like this.But i hate these fucking automatic gearboxes.They should really have kept the manual as a standard and ofcourse for thouse who want selfshifter let them have ..But what about thous who dont?</p>
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		<title>By: wazon</title>
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		<dc:creator>wazon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Matt Stokes pointed out below, they could make NA engine and reduce its emission, but cost of it would much higher than making turbo-charged engine. From marketing point of view, it&#039;s important since Benz or Audi would be able to provide cheaper product with similar perfomance, perhaps less technologically advance than BMW would be, but in most cases it&#039;s price what decide. So, if BMW wants to survive they have to produce turbo engines. Moreover, I am not sure whether - for example - tuned up V10 from M5 would do the work. Two friends of mine have M5 E60, one tuned by Kelleners Sport (btw cost of 12000euro or something in this vincinity), other tuned by Hamman, both delivering above 550hp and they do great against other cars, much better than stock M5 E60 but still I don&#039;t see these cars surviving in competition up to 2015 as upcoming M5 should.

Whether to search somewhere else, it depends on what you need. If you&#039;re looking for the best handling coupe for 4 adult persons, it still will be BMW (M3, of course :D) or if you are looking for driving pleasure in saloon, M5 will be the best offert, or if you are searching for large coupe, M6 still will be lurking offert for you. In upcoming future there will only less and less NA engines in cars in these segments. Personally, I&#039;m not against turbo engines in BMW since their resposiveness is great (in X6M it&#039;s amazing, according to journalists) and they provide max torgue from the lowest rev speed. These engines don&#039;t need to rev to almost 9000rpm, becuase range of rev speed that is for disposition is greater than in any NA engine. Anyway, it still doesn&#039;t mean that I don&#039;t admire perfect engineering in BMW&#039;s NA engine, but there too small numebers of customers, who would buy a car because it&#039;s a piece of great engineering when they can buy a cheaper car with similar performance. Sad, but it&#039;s the world we live in and BMW has to change to survive. I wish them best on the new path since I still believe that they are making the best cars in their segments and doubt that I won&#039;t buy BMW in future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Matt Stokes pointed out below, they could make NA engine and reduce its emission, but cost of it would much higher than making turbo-charged engine. From marketing point of view, it&#8217;s important since Benz or Audi would be able to provide cheaper product with similar perfomance, perhaps less technologically advance than BMW would be, but in most cases it&#8217;s price what decide. So, if BMW wants to survive they have to produce turbo engines. Moreover, I am not sure whether &#8211; for example &#8211; tuned up V10 from M5 would do the work. Two friends of mine have M5 E60, one tuned by Kelleners Sport (btw cost of 12000euro or something in this vincinity), other tuned by Hamman, both delivering above 550hp and they do great against other cars, much better than stock M5 E60 but still I don&#8217;t see these cars surviving in competition up to 2015 as upcoming M5 should.</p>
<p>Whether to search somewhere else, it depends on what you need. If you&#8217;re looking for the best handling coupe for 4 adult persons, it still will be BMW (M3, of course :D) or if you are looking for driving pleasure in saloon, M5 will be the best offert, or if you are searching for large coupe, M6 still will be lurking offert for you. In upcoming future there will only less and less NA engines in cars in these segments. Personally, I&#8217;m not against turbo engines in BMW since their resposiveness is great (in X6M it&#8217;s amazing, according to journalists) and they provide max torgue from the lowest rev speed. These engines don&#8217;t need to rev to almost 9000rpm, becuase range of rev speed that is for disposition is greater than in any NA engine. Anyway, it still doesn&#8217;t mean that I don&#8217;t admire perfect engineering in BMW&#8217;s NA engine, but there too small numebers of customers, who would buy a car because it&#8217;s a piece of great engineering when they can buy a cheaper car with similar performance. Sad, but it&#8217;s the world we live in and BMW has to change to survive. I wish them best on the new path since I still believe that they are making the best cars in their segments and doubt that I won&#8217;t buy BMW in future.</p>
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		<title>By: L1ndja</title>
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		<dc:creator>L1ndja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as i hate to accept all this,this is inevitable and the High revving engines must be replaced with turbo engines.Such a pity..As for my opinion ,i hate electric cars and i&#039;d prefer diesel and small turbo engines over them at any time.I think that the best use for electric cars is for very small cars and short distances and im against alltime hybrids.I like Bmw&#039;s idea of using electricity in such a way and i think its ok to get a boost of power is nice and in the mean time u save fuel and emit less.Quite cool.But what i really hope is that after 10years Hydrogen engines will be introduced.Thats what i hope and we can avoid using electric engines that sound so poor.Hydrogen engines could be used like Petrol ones.So  in a way the petrol engines will be revived and we can ones again get N/A engines and old school style</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as i hate to accept all this,this is inevitable and the High revving engines must be replaced with turbo engines.Such a pity..As for my opinion ,i hate electric cars and i&#8217;d prefer diesel and small turbo engines over them at any time.I think that the best use for electric cars is for very small cars and short distances and im against alltime hybrids.I like Bmw&#8217;s idea of using electricity in such a way and i think its ok to get a boost of power is nice and in the mean time u save fuel and emit less.Quite cool.But what i really hope is that after 10years Hydrogen engines will be introduced.Thats what i hope and we can avoid using electric engines that sound so poor.Hydrogen engines could be used like Petrol ones.So  in a way the petrol engines will be revived and we can ones again get N/A engines and old school style</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Stokes</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/13/editorial-m-division-losing-touch-with-history/#comment-158424</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also worth considering that it was only the very early M cars that were born out of competition, true motorsport DNA... however these days, for one reason or another... that&#039;s not the case... and it&#039;s not necessarily BMW&#039;s fault.

The E30 M3 was raced as a touring car and a DTM;

BMW&#039;s current touring car star is the 320si.... right.. yes, anybody think BMW should ditch the M3 in favour of the 320si - to go up against the RS4/5, C63 AMG, IS-F ? And in future the S2000 regs governing touring car racing are likely to become S1600 regs, meaning 1.6l Turbo&#039;s.....

 .. and what if BMW entered DTM? Still no joy, unlike when BMW were competing in DTM, DTM cars currentley ARE NOT based on road cars, they have custom built spec racing engines and drive trains, they are silhouette cars for all intents and purposes.. it would be as much use to a road car as BMW joining NASCAR.

So... what other options are there?  Well, let&#039;s not forget the E46 M3 GT-R... a snip at £250,000.... for other reasons, they decided not to build it... but that wouldn&#039;t have mattered... M cannot exist based on the sales of £250,000 cars...

... my point is, M road cars have changed because their original reason for being does not exist anymore, M hs moved from Motorsport to Marketing.. and they&#039;ve never done better to be fair to them.

It&#039;s Natural selection, things must evolve or they die.  I do not want to see the M brand die, and I also wouldnt want to see BMW making the same product for 50 years as Porsche has done with the 911, it lacks any originality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also worth considering that it was only the very early M cars that were born out of competition, true motorsport DNA&#8230; however these days, for one reason or another&#8230; that&#8217;s not the case&#8230; and it&#8217;s not necessarily BMW&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>The E30 M3 was raced as a touring car and a DTM;</p>
<p>BMW&#8217;s current touring car star is the 320si&#8230;. right.. yes, anybody think BMW should ditch the M3 in favour of the 320si &#8211; to go up against the RS4/5, C63 AMG, IS-F ? And in future the S2000 regs governing touring car racing are likely to become S1600 regs, meaning 1.6l Turbo&#8217;s&#8230;..</p>
<p> .. and what if BMW entered DTM? Still no joy, unlike when BMW were competing in DTM, DTM cars currentley ARE NOT based on road cars, they have custom built spec racing engines and drive trains, they are silhouette cars for all intents and purposes.. it would be as much use to a road car as BMW joining NASCAR.</p>
<p>So&#8230; what other options are there?  Well, let&#8217;s not forget the E46 M3 GT-R&#8230; a snip at £250,000&#8230;. for other reasons, they decided not to build it&#8230; but that wouldn&#8217;t have mattered&#8230; M cannot exist based on the sales of £250,000 cars&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; my point is, M road cars have changed because their original reason for being does not exist anymore, M hs moved from Motorsport to Marketing.. and they&#8217;ve never done better to be fair to them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Natural selection, things must evolve or they die.  I do not want to see the M brand die, and I also wouldnt want to see BMW making the same product for 50 years as Porsche has done with the 911, it lacks any originality.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Stokes</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/10/13/editorial-m-division-losing-touch-with-history/#comment-158422</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possibly, but in the market place Logic may have to give way to Cost.

Don&#039;t forget that inevitably cars grow in size from one generation to the next, they are also expected to offer more safety and additional features.  So not only are you trying to make a product weigh less than its predecessor, but you are also invariably adding more weight to it before you even begin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly, but in the market place Logic may have to give way to Cost.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that inevitably cars grow in size from one generation to the next, they are also expected to offer more safety and additional features.  So not only are you trying to make a product weigh less than its predecessor, but you are also invariably adding more weight to it before you even begin!</p>
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