BMW? No Thank You.

Interesting | May 8th, 2013 by 28
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A while back I wrote a column and asked the question: “Why BMW?” The response was massive and people from all corners of the …

A while back I wrote a column and asked the question: “Why BMW?”

The response was massive and people from all corners of the world shared their thoughts and feelings as to why BMW has a special place in their hearts. From owners to mechanics to the obsessive few bunch out there and the aspirers, you have spoken and for that we thank you.

One could argue however that it’s only natural for most comments received from our readers to be positive and speak highly of the attributes and designs that BMW engineers into their cars. After all, this is BMWBLOG and if you frequent our site, then 9 times out of 10 you’re a fan of the brand!

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But now to be fair, we want to hear from the people out there who perhaps were fans at some point but then left BMW for various reasons and sought their automotive cravings elsewhere. We also want to hear from people who always knew BMW wasn’t right for them, and, would also like to give the so-called “haters” or “trolls” who enjoy bashing on the company, a chance to intelligently and eloquently explain why when presented with the question, “Why BMW?” they respond with “No Thank You.”

So what is it? Maybe the Bangle era designs put you off indefinitely? Or is it perhaps the use of run-flat tires? Maybe it’s the sportier than usual ride, or maybe it’s the electric assisted steering? It could be anything from the use of turbos to the maintenance program offered to the reliability of the cars to the lack of a specific “feeling” you get from seeing or driving a BMW.

The responses are almost limitless and the floor is yours. Express away. Mind you, this isn’t designed or intended to facilitate blatant or baseless bashing, but more of a channel for you to explain why it is that perhaps you walked away from the brand, or, why it is you’ve never been able to “connect” with it in the first place. Even better, what hasn’t BMW been able to do in order to attract you or bring you back to the brand?

This is your chance. Why is company X better than BMW? Why did you leave the brand and what will it take to bring you back? Provide examples, substantiate your statements and make it count in the comments section below!

28 responses to “BMW? No Thank You.”

  1. Jaden says:

    1. In the premium/luxury brand segment, Mercedes-Benz is more/most prestigious and historical brand with bigger and more luxurious cars at higher end
    2. Yet, BMW is more/most expensive compared to comparable MB. (ex, 535i and E550, etc)

    But my first premium brand car was a BMW and will probably stay with them..

  2. Mike N. says:

    I always joke to my friends that “nothing says asshole like ‘BMW'”, and a lot of BMW drivers do nothing to dispel that impression. Also, my experience with BMW dealers is that most of them in Houston, Texas are even bigger assholes than BMW drivers, and that apparently enough people around here pay sticker for their cars or close to it that they don’t really negotiate. Twice I went into a dealership looking to buy a BMW, and twice I was so turned off/disgusted by the experience that I bought other cars. That said, I’ve always liked how they drive, if not always how they look, and recently bought a X5 diesel, from a dealer on the East Coast, who gave me a fair price (i.e. comparable to what people were getting over invoice on the message boards).

    • DougZ says:

      Owning any high-end car has a tendency to make the driver pretentious. It’s especially evident in BMW drivers because the used BMW market makes the cars extremely affordable (Corvettes and Porsche Boxsters fall into this category).

      It’s not really the brand, it’s the “Look at me, I can zip in and out of traffic faster than you” attitude that you tend to see.

      As a 3 series convertible owner, I try to break that stereotype by being extra courteous to other drivers :)

  3. Tenart says:

    I always loved and owned BMW… But i’m starting to loose interest in the brand… as a car enthusiast I want to see a super car from them, I think everyone want that… Screw money and business case, even relatively less successful companies made one to show their abilities and emotion for the brand and the fans… Mercedes, Audi, Lexus, Nissan, GM, Not to name the super sport cars brands, they all have dedicated sports cars not even based on a normal production cars… Where r u BMW? Plus some of their Design, to name a few like 1 series, x series… What the hell is this?!?! And now the weight, weight weight… Let’s hope they’ll fix all of that in the future or Lots of competitors r going to catch and pass

    • Mark Sanchez says:

      I bought a 135i in 2008 and have never regretted owning it. I wish I could have gotten a 1M when they were on the market for all of 30 minutes. Even though the 135i is a parts-bin car it truly is a “Baby M”. My brother has a 2012 M3 and I would say my 135i is a very slightly watered down version of his M3 from a performance stand point. Comfort is a whole different story; his M3 blows mine out of the water.

    • steely dan says:

      it’s “lose,” not “loose.”

  4. Ray Afzal says:

    i think their technology and engines are fanastic, but what other dealers are now doing which BMW aren’t is do little things that make a huge difference. this is just a random example but the new Audi SQ5 compared to an x5 m50d. as an x5 owner, we are looking to move onto the f15, however the x5 m50d has great speed, efficiency and all but is so expensive. the sq5 has a faster engine, even better efficiency and 20 grand cheaper plus comes with a speak in the exhaust to make it sound like a petrol high performance car. Your turn BMW..your turn!

  5. no bmw central mounted engine supercar……….thats the big problem for BMW in this days+to many X-models… the last 10 years bmw transforms from sportcar manufactor into a luxury car manufactor……BMW…..the world want a supercar from you…..make it….

  6. BimmerE46M3 says:

    We simply want a SuperCar from BMW that will give us the enthusiast the feeling of “yes! We got it”. We never got the M8, that was a poor decision. How about an ///M SuperCar to commemorate the 100th anniversary from BMW?

  7. Kevin says:

    Reliability is a big thing. I try to do my own maintenance. I have to say that I wish my BMWs were more reliable or cheaper to maintain, but I suppose that’s the cost of owning an Ultimate Driving Machine. As I get older, I wonder if the trade off between time spent on maintenance is worth the driving dynamics. Maybe my next car will be a Toyota.

  8. Postfanboism says:

    I used to be a fan boy for the creator of the ‘sport sedan’. For all practical purposes, the M3 was my ideal car: it could hold 4 passengers (some generations more comfortably than others), could be driven to an 8K+ redline and would send you soaring straight or sideways in style with all the engagement you would ever need. And while the regular 3 and 5 (and even the older 7) series didn’t have the special M engines and could never hope to perform as well without heavy modification, they could still give you a sense of one with the road few other sedans could.

    Flash forward to today’s lineup and you’ve got BMW playing the money business game instead of doing what BMW was built on. The idea of ‘the ultimate driving machine’ has turned into the ‘the ultimate selection of vehicles from a single brand). The regular 3 series is just as big as the first generation 7 series, you’ve got a 6 series (a bigger version of a 3 series coupe but less interior space) a 6 series gran coupe and ‘GT’ cars and X5/X6 M cars that are created specifically so they can sell into niches. On top of it, Electric power steering is no where near as good as ones from offerings as toyota or mazda.

    Sure they make great motors that can make the car go even faster while helping the environment more (i agree that this is somewhat of an achievement, as well as a necessity for today’s world), and they’ve made suspension to handle these great motors. The engagement that these cars used to give is now missing though. You could imagine yourself in a 7 series back in the day running away from the baddies or transporting a mysterious asian lady somewhere in a hurry, but in no way is today’s 7 series, or even most of BMW’s current lineup, prepared to do anything close to that. They’re too big and pretty to get hurt.

    BMW still makes amazing cars in their own respect, but they aren’t the ultimate driving machine anymore and they aren’t cars that will win me over in the same way they used to.

  9. Simon says:

    BMW is loooosing their aggressive design language!!! Nowadays Mercedes and other automakers use a more aggressive design than BMW. Sporty cars MUST look aggressive!

  10. Vincent says:

    Forget about the N47 engine. And aftermarket. And aftersales.

    First, apologies for mistakes : I’m pretty sure that I’ll make plenty, I’m from Belgium and French is my mother tongue. Let’s hope that I’ll be readable and understood. :)

    Ok, this engine has been awarded many times, but there’s just a huge scandal that waits to be revealed here in Europe. I guess that most of the readers of this excellent
    website (which I’m reading for the last 3 or 4 years) are from US, meaning that N47 is a bit unknown for you while it’s probably the most sold engine here : there’re roughly 54 versions of this engine in the 1, 3, 5, X1 and X3 models. And as you know it, Europeans love the diesel.

    I do own a BMW. A gorgeous 120D Coupe from year 2008. Equiped as it is (leather, Xenon, M pack, carbon parts, …), it costs around 50K€, let’s say around $ 65K. I’m a
    real fan of this car and as I drive a lot, the diesel was the good choice. Until that day when I heard a kind of locust in my engine. I went to the garage and I was surprise that the mechanician was not surprised himself ! A little summary of his speech :
    « Oh yes, that’s a known issue with the timing chain, and unfortunately there’s no recall. Your engine could break in the next 5K miles, or maybe never, who knows ? If you want to repair, it will cost around $ 5K, if you prefer to wait for your engine to break, it will cost around $ 8K for a new engine. Problem is that the issue is not fixed yet: it could happen again with a repaired or even with a new engine. This problem happens on about 30 percent of N47 sold. Even the brand new 3-Series or 1-Series is facing the problem with 10 to 15 percent of the N47 engine. »


    Between 5K and $ 8K to have the possibility to drive a $ 65K BMW with an engine that could have the same issue in the next 50K miles ? WTF ? And warranty expires on reparations after two years, of course. Great, thank you BMW for doing such great engines !

    According to the mechanician, BMW sometimes grants part of the reparation costs within the 5 first years of the car. But again, the problem is not fixed : it could happen again.

    On the paper, this engine is perfect. Except that it’s not reliable at all. Go on Google and search for « N47 timing chain issue » and you’ll understand what I’m talking about. Go on Facebook and you’ll find pages that talks about this problem. I got plenty of forums of explanations, but it’s all in French (it’s a bit too technical for my English level) : I’m convinced that you’ll find forums and pages in English. Go on Youtube to hear people recording their engine.

    I’m a real fan of BMW. But it’s becoming very expensive to own one. Especially a working one. Not sure that my next car will be a BMW.

  11. IceDree says:

    “Maybe the Bangle era designs put you off indefinitely?”

    No ! The Bangle era designs are some of my all time favorite car designs ! especially the 6-Series , 7-Series & the Z4 Coupe .

    to me , the E65E66 (the pre-refresh model) is the ultimate luxury car ! It screamed Luxury , Class , Prestige … etc ! & the design is timeless , The car aged well (like the Bentley Arnage) unlike the S-Class (the 99-05 aged quickly & almost 40% of the ones i see have a broken Hydraulic suspension) , the LS430 & the A8 (The pre-refresh model) !

    & the interior … I love that dashboard … especially with the 4-Spokes steering wheel , they nailed it !

    I haven’t driven one yet , but if it drives like the E38 or better (My father used to have a German-Spec 730i) , I’m in !

    I’ll get one one day !

    Now , to the “BMW ? No Thank You”

    It will depends on :

    – if I’m buying a used one & it wasn’t not in Good condition .

    – if it was a 3-Series .

    – if it was going against a Cadillac … especially a CTS (I love Cadillacs more) , unless it was a E65E66 .

    – if it had a Diesel engine (M550d will be an exception) , Not all gas stations in Jeddah , Saudi Arabia offer Diesel !

  12. Obioban says:

    1) turbos: I don’t like their driving dynamics, and the fuel savings aren’t worth the long term cost of ownership increases.

    2) run flat tires. They’re just worse. Won’t care so much if they gave you a spare tire well to use, but with nothing… pointless.

    3) no dipstick. WTF. I’m fine with condition based oil monitoring, it’s awesome actually… but I want a dipstick for when the sensor fails. Which it will. And there’s no way to know if the sensor has failed when it does or if you have no oil.

    4) Electric power steering. That’s not why I got into BMW.

    5) shift away from manuals to glorified automatics. We’re not racing, so I don’t care what’s faster. What I do care about is what’s more involving… and it’s not the automatic box.

    6) Size and weight. The 5 series is bigger than an e38 in every dimension, yet has terrible back seat space. How can they make cars that are absurdly huge yet have gained nothing in interior space?

    I would like to, and may one day, own one of every model that BMW made in 2002. When the e82 128i goes out of production, they’ll no longer make a single car that I desire in the slightest. What’s worse is that there isn’t a legitimate replacement for what BMW used to be… so I will be buying early 2000 era BMWs and restoring them for the foreseeable future for all my car needs.

  13. Mariani says:

    I’m not necessarily a BMW enthusiast, but I’ve had great respect for the brand due to how it appealed to purists with gems like the E39 M5 and the E30/36/46 M3.
    Lately, though, I have very little doubt that their accountants got them to drop their act in favor of sales.
    You can’t really argue otherwise when the X6 is now going to it’s second generation, ready to be ‘more agressive’, while the future X4 is coming.
    But that’s not the real problem I have with the brand. No, no, no, the problem is that the cars that made me admire the Bavarians are now completely off. This fourth series M3 is havier than many small off-road cars, and the M5 has Internet conectivity, and it plays a synthesized note of it’s engine because you can’t hear it. All of it without offering manual transmissions. I’m sorry, but what is the point? What is the point in buying an M5 if it’s just a Merc alternative? I got to know Bimers as driver cars first and foremost, and under no circumstances I think they current line-up lives up to that.
    All in all, then, there’s not a single model that particularly appeals to me.
    Why, then, do I read this blog? Like I’ve said, I do fancy myself some 90s M series, and this seems like a proper place to educate myself on such models should the opportunity arise. Other than that, there are some particular content that does please me. Nods to the brand history and engineering are aways a fun read.

  14. Paolo Magrassi says:

    Over the past 15 years I have owned Mercedes, Volvo and Audi. BMW came last.

    The main drawback is that both the sales and (especially) the aftersales
    organizations are unable to manage the complexity of the product line.
    This could become a serious brand issue for BMW, although admittedly it
    is a challenge for Audi and Mercedes too. It certainly is a problem for
    me, as I don’t like to become involved in discussions with engineers
    ignorant about their own products, and I am pissed off by too long stops
    for repairs.

    The incredible number of models, variants, options etc., makes it hard
    for repair dealers to keep up. I was astonished to find, in two
    different dealers as well as in the main central garage at the country
    level (owned and operated directly by BMW Europe), so few experienced
    mechanics employed. The ratio of engineers to sales, admin and support people is ridiculously low, while staying abreast with the
    mechanical and electronic complexity is paramount.

    Another drawback, for me, is the joystick-like automatic transmission
    shift lever: no firm mechanical positions make it tough to maneuvre (e.g., from D
    to N) without direct sight; P as a button click is silly; and the
    inverted logic (compared to virtually all other automatic gears around)
    of forwards and backwards in manual/sequential mode is weird.

    Runflat tires, a pain in the neck.

    All the rest is just fine, and the driving is wonderful, perhaps the best such experience I’ve had among the top brands.

  15. Bryce says:

    For me, it was no speed limits over 70 mph. I’ve owned two BMWs and both times I found that the actual realized benefit of all that horsepower was lost. With speed limits no higher than 70 mph, and typically no more than 45 on roads with curves, I’ve had more fun high-revving a VW GTi than either of my BMWs.

  16. Ty says:

    1. BMW used to have an athletic look. Even though it was considered a luxury brand the design clearly to appeal to someone who wanted a driving machine. There was nothing superfluous in the design – all business. Then Chris Bangle happened. The cars became bulbous with design elements that didn’t fit together or fit with my understanding of the brand.

    2. I don’t like the move away from manual gearboxes.

    3. The price. It seems that other brands are designing high performance coupes and sedans for 10-15k less; BMWs seem to just get more expensive. In return you get a whole bunch of gizmos you don’t want. You have to order these gizmos as part of a “package” which makes the price of an already expensive car inflate needlessly.

  17. Rick says:

    As with most newer cars today, if I had 40k to spend on a new BMW, I wouldn’t do it. I think the looks have gone downhill, and things as basic as the instrument console and speedometer turn me off. They just aren’t BMW to me. They should have kept the same style as the E30’s that carried up to the E46. I’d buy an E46, but nothing newer. No way. I just found a cherry E30, and there is just something you can’t quantify getting in one of these and driving it. The style, the interior smell, the build quality, handling, and the feel of this car. I feel I have a piece of German engineering before outsourcing themselves to foreign factories.

    I think it’s worth mentioning there is a huge cult following of BMW lovers, who don’t buy and drive BMW’s because of the yuppie image. They buy and drive them because they are beautifully engineered machines and a joy to drive. What’s yuppie about that?? They represent driving pleasure and quality. Every BMW I owned I can say was simply boringly perfect. My E30 is no exception. The other day a friend was with me in my E30, he complained it didn’t have cup holders. BMW engineers of the time wanted you to DRIVE the damn car, they were more interested in the way a driver feels the road, not cup holders. How perfect and ironic is that??? I think they are the best cars on the road.

    Rick Holbrook

  18. Guest says:

    I have a 1998 BMW Z3 2.8L automatic that I like a lot with the following exceptions:

    Plastic/composite junk:
    1) Composite water pump impeller, fails

    2) Composite radiator parts fail

    3) Composite water pump pulley, and others pulleys, fail

    4) Composite clutch fan explodes knocking holes in the radiator, dents in the hood

    5) Composite thermostat housing.

    I can’t get the anti-theft system removed. It could get me stranded on top of a mountain in the dead of winter where I would die, or cost me over $2000 in repairs if it fails anywhere. It’s a setup for the service department. I want it off my car but can’t get it removed. That sucks.

    The dealer’s service department in Nashville Tn said they could remove the anti-theft system. I call back to make sure they could before making the trip, and discovered their plan was to bill me $175 to tell me they couldn’t do anything for me.

    If I loose my key it would cost around $300-$400 to replace it.

    Having only one offset differential mount causes the mount bracket to break and often rips the cross-member from the from the trunk floor.

    The shocks rip through the upper mounts.

    Suspension bushings and engine mounts need replaced early.

    No oil pressure gauge.

    No volt meter.

    The check engine light comes on at 240F engine temp which is to hot. The car should have a over temp warning light. (I will install one to come on around 200F)

    No automatic transmission fluid dip stick. A setup for the service department.

    Automatic transmission failed around 120K miles.

    Can not replace the drive shaft universal joints. Another setup.

    The car should have had a turbo instead of the VARS that gives problems.

    The car was sold with a 200F cold climate thermostat. After installing an oil pressure gauge I discovered my OP was below factory spec. I installed a 180F thermostat and switched to 15 W 50 Mobile1 synthetic motor oil to fix the problem.

    The engine control computer is used for the dealers to rip off customers. Owners do not have access to good diagnostic tools.

    Most parts are not available and the ones that can be had are extremely expensive. Ie $40 for one rod bearing, or rings for one piston.

    I doubt BMW increased the quality (none of the auto manufactures do. Management’s decisions are based on the bottom line). I haven’t looked to see because I’m not interested in a new BMW and I know what I’ll find under the skin, expensive cheap parts.

    I like the Z3’s body style. If the car gives me excessive problems I will remove the engine and the entire drive train then replace it with something far superior that is reasonable to maintain.

    BMW’s quality is better than most brands but not up to speed with Toyota and Honda IMO.

    I know sales were falling for the Z3 when they discontinued it, but IMO they should have perfected the car and continued building it for many decades. I don’t like the Z4’s body near as well, but I do like the Z8’s body which is out of my reach.

    I replaced the composite parts with aluminum, and my water pump has a stainless steel impelled. I braced the differential to prevent my trunk floor from being ripped apart. I had the transmission rebuilt, but I think a new torque converter solenoid and a new 2nd to 3rd shift solenoid was all it actually needed.

    Don’t just pretend you build quality products, do it.

    • guest says:

      I forgot to mention I removed the clutch fan, fan shroud, relocated the ATF cooler, installed an all aluminum three core radiator, and a radiator electric fan start switch/sensor that starts the fan at slightly below 180F. My oil pressure never drops below 15 psi, and I don’t have a problem with overheating the engine, however installing an engine high temperature alarm/red flashing diode, is on my list of things to do.

      Also when I installed an oil pressure gauge I installed a 15-50 psi adjustable oil pressure switch that turns on a red flashing diode in the cockpit if my oil pressure drops below 15 psi. The factory OP switch gives a non-flashing warning at 3-7 psi, a set-point where engine damage likely already occurred. In the future I will be interlocking the oil pressure warning light with RPM so I get a warning if the OP drops 10 psi below design at variable RPMs.

      This car is my hobby. When I finish with my Z3 it will be equipped like it should have been when it came off the assembly line.

  19. NYCX3 says:

    I owned the 2006 X3 and now the 2013 X3… Here’s what I have to say after driving the new X3 for over a year now. No more BMW’s, No, Thank you!, Here’s why:

    1. Electronic Steering Replacing Hydrualic feels less planted on the road. BMW was famous for it’s “on the rails” grip of the road. Now it just feels weak.

    2. Hard Walled runflat tires standard. This is absurb to not give the customer an option to opt out of run-flats. The ride is jarring and less precise.

    3. The reduction of the negative camber in rear tires. Older models used to have a higher negative camber, meaning the rear wheels were tilted out / for a better handling of turns. To save “tire wear” they reduced the negative camber and sacrificed stability and cornering performance.

    4. Making cars in US plant. This just destroys the whole idea of german quality, and mass production defects are very noticeable in the newer models.

    5. Confusing and much less intiutive controls and glitchy bluetooth, idrive is still a mess. it just lacks the finess and simplicity one expects from a luxury car system. My iphone and Samsung galaxy phones constantly have bluetooth issues with the car. Also, the temperature knobs are now near the volume knobs and I often get confused when trying to lower volume.

    6. Weaker Stabilizer bars. When making turns on my 2006 X3, I barely felt the tilt, in 2013… I am sliding all over my seat.

    7. Annoying start/stop engine function. Very unpleasant and risky to have your engine shut off every time you are on a red light or stop sign… it takes a second to start back up, and sometimes a second is all you have to avoid an accident/get out of the way of one. But it’s ok, you’ll waste it on starting the engine back up because, hey, I’ve bought a $50,000 SPORTS ACTIVITY vehicle…so of course I want to save fuel and drive it like it’s a oldsmobile!

    8. Premium Sound system is poorly balanced and very low quality. the High’s are too shrill (despite making all necessary adjustments), and the speakers crack on higher volumes, volume distortion tolerances are not properly set and several speakers burned out within 6 months of use.

    9. BMW NA Customer Relations is a joke… they take your complaints and log your calls all day long, but they don’t do anything for you. Even the managers don’t care about their customers and want to you $$$ to sign liability releases for problems they don’t want to fix.

    10. My car has had a major Break Recall, where the power breaks stop working… and also the front suspension needed to be replaced due to manufacturing defects.

    11. The steering on the car is defective and BMW won’t fix it… the car feels unstable on the road, the wheel fights the road and is unsafe to drive, BMW ignored and did not want to get to the root cause… their biased engineer didn’t “notice” any problem, but then again, he didn’t know basic engineering questions, which BMW’s still have hydraulic steering… he said none, they’re all electronic now. However, I believe the x6 and x1 still offer hydraulic steering.

    So BMW is a joke! Greed Greed Greed! And quality has gone down the tubes.

  20. SawfishTorpedo says:

    No standards in the US ?? What make them think we don’t know how many they sell in Europe…. ?? There’s also reasons… Manuals are not going away, contrary to what some Americans think, its almost a bizarre notion.

    Does anyone know how much a new automatic transmission is at a dealer, 7500.00 a clutch about 2000.00.

    The few they do sell they charge the same as automatics, this company is getting dumber by the day ! Stifling consumer choice is not going to make you successful in life. When they were available, dealers simply would not order any or near enough, I should know, I tried on multiple occasions. And BMW tolerated this marketing practice from their dealers !

    So far this year, there are 652 complaints about BMW automatics, I did some research… I have never in my life experienced a single problem with a standard. There have also been class action lawsuits, accusing the company of building shoddy transmissions… One party with 52,000 miles on their car, transmission went, they were told, ok that will be 7500.00 ! And people think automatics are so wonderful………??

    And for another thing, if you want a new car every 2 years, you should not be buying a BMW, you should buy a Corolla or something, these cars are meant to last. So to buy a new one because your transmission will go is senseless and extended warranties are not to be trusted, be wary of them….

    I really feel BMW is headed for a tumble in the US market, I can see the signs, the above does not help, stuffy styling, lack of engine choices like Europe too.

    Bubble here BMW ! Free trade between EU-US concludes this year and follows transatlantic vehicle harmonization. Anyone will finally again, after a more than 30 year wrongful hiatus, be able to purchase and bring back to the US any car… By law they will not be able to void your warranty either.

    BMW must be preparing for this because they will already stamp your warranty booklet, so they honor your warranty if you decide the very difficult step of, going around them and buying in Europe….

    Till, I can buy what I want, the way I want, without an automatic and without those disgusting leatherette seats, I want premium clothe, I refrain from purchase, keep the US spec models to yourself BMW !

  21. Felipe Plaza says:

    Don’t like the new BMW designs. They lack character and soul. They’ve stopped producing ‘drivers cars’, and appealing to the masses.
    Give me an E30, E38.. and the newer E88 coupe!

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