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	<title>Comments on: BMW cutting V8 engine production to focus on four-cylinders engines</title>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think BMW us make the best move here because their engines are the best in the auto making world. It wasn&#039;t until recently we ever saw turbos or even a superchared engine from BMW. I think they would be best by starting full production on the hydrogen engines. They have shown the world that hydrogen does not demenish performance it works just as well as gasoline.  What was the purpose to waste two decades on this hydrogen engine and not use it. They are lightyears ahead of other car manufactures when it comes to hydrogen and keeping the combustion engine. Yes I no hydrogen stations are few and far between but it makes perfect sense in my mind show the world what they really can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think BMW us make the best move here because their engines are the best in the auto making world. It wasn&#8217;t until recently we ever saw turbos or even a superchared engine from BMW. I think they would be best by starting full production on the hydrogen engines. They have shown the world that hydrogen does not demenish performance it works just as well as gasoline.  What was the purpose to waste two decades on this hydrogen engine and not use it. They are lightyears ahead of other car manufactures when it comes to hydrogen and keeping the combustion engine. Yes I no hydrogen stations are few and far between but it makes perfect sense in my mind show the world what they really can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-55807&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Horatiu B.&lt;/a&gt;: 
Hi Horatiu--

well, from looking at the maintenance diagrams for the N54 it looks like the front and rear 3-cylinder &quot;groups&quot; each exhaust to a seperate turbo.  Presumably the firing order is designed so that each turbo gets a constant-ish stream of exhaust.   Both turbos compress into the same pipe+intercooler+intake system  (although really only the large one needs it).   The front turbo is smaller, and spins up faster, so you get coverage over more of the rpm range.

Contrast that with the V-engine twin turbos, where each bank blows one turbo and gets intake from that one turbo (generally).  Or, porsche&#039;s design where each bank blows a turbo, but one turbo compresses air through the intercooler to the other turbo and then into both banks.    Lotus&#039; twin-turbo V8 uses seperate turbos per bank but changes the usual firing order (and crank design) to get consistent exhaust over each turbo at the expense of engine smoothness.

Anyway, what I&#039;m getting that is that since they haven&#039;t proposed a quad-turbo for the inline-6, nor a tri-turbo for I6 or I4,  that there may be a special design that works well where you have 1 turbo per cylinder.  Considering the exhaust flow, manifold routing and other issues, I&#039;m speculating that they&#039;re using the exhaust pulse to their advantage somehow, rather than averaging out like in other designs.

Puuuure speculation though :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-55807" rel="nofollow">Horatiu B.</a>:<br />
Hi Horatiu&#8211;</p>
<p>well, from looking at the maintenance diagrams for the N54 it looks like the front and rear 3-cylinder &#8220;groups&#8221; each exhaust to a seperate turbo.  Presumably the firing order is designed so that each turbo gets a constant-ish stream of exhaust.   Both turbos compress into the same pipe+intercooler+intake system  (although really only the large one needs it).   The front turbo is smaller, and spins up faster, so you get coverage over more of the rpm range.</p>
<p>Contrast that with the V-engine twin turbos, where each bank blows one turbo and gets intake from that one turbo (generally).  Or, porsche&#8217;s design where each bank blows a turbo, but one turbo compresses air through the intercooler to the other turbo and then into both banks.    Lotus&#8217; twin-turbo V8 uses seperate turbos per bank but changes the usual firing order (and crank design) to get consistent exhaust over each turbo at the expense of engine smoothness.</p>
<p>Anyway, what I&#8217;m getting that is that since they haven&#8217;t proposed a quad-turbo for the inline-6, nor a tri-turbo for I6 or I4,  that there may be a special design that works well where you have 1 turbo per cylinder.  Considering the exhaust flow, manifold routing and other issues, I&#8217;m speculating that they&#8217;re using the exhaust pulse to their advantage somehow, rather than averaging out like in other designs.</p>
<p>Puuuure speculation though <img src='http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Horatiu B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horatiu B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-55505&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rotor&lt;/a&gt;: speaking of the first M3, I just posted some amazing photos. Great car! But I also think that it sold well for that time, these days, there is larger demand for bigger and more powerful engines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-55505" rel="nofollow">Rotor</a>: speaking of the first M3, I just posted some amazing photos. Great car! But I also think that it sold well for that time, these days, there is larger demand for bigger and more powerful engines.</p>
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		<title>By: Horatiu B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horatiu B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-55557&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clara&lt;/a&gt;: Interesting point of view. But here is my question: would it be that different from the twin-turbo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-55557" rel="nofollow">Clara</a>: Interesting point of view. But here is my question: would it be that different from the twin-turbo?</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quad-turbo I-4 is a strange idea.   If each cylinder powered a seperate turbo, you&#039;d have full boost only 1/4 of the time, and not the time that cylinder needed it.  You could route that compression to the next cylinder on intake, assuming that the turbos could spin up adequately during each pulse.   Then there&#039;s the issue of how an intercooler could fit in (water?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quad-turbo I-4 is a strange idea.   If each cylinder powered a seperate turbo, you&#8217;d have full boost only 1/4 of the time, and not the time that cylinder needed it.  You could route that compression to the next cylinder on intake, assuming that the turbos could spin up adequately during each pulse.   Then there&#8217;s the issue of how an intercooler could fit in (water?).</p>
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		<title>By: Rotor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rotor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought BMW failed miserable in what could have been an exciting event for the performance enthusiast.  The 1 series could have had a high performance 4 cylinder which would have been an M 1 series, then they could have had the M3 with the same trusty 6 cylinder for those who really do not want or could not handle the V8.  In addition the M3 could have come with an RS version, which would be V8 powered.  A version for almost every bank account, not including the M5 etc.  Now they are playing catchup.  Funny the first M3 sold very well, and it was a 4 Cylinder!!!!  Looks like history might repeat itself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought BMW failed miserable in what could have been an exciting event for the performance enthusiast.  The 1 series could have had a high performance 4 cylinder which would have been an M 1 series, then they could have had the M3 with the same trusty 6 cylinder for those who really do not want or could not handle the V8.  In addition the M3 could have come with an RS version, which would be V8 powered.  A version for almost every bank account, not including the M5 etc.  Now they are playing catchup.  Funny the first M3 sold very well, and it was a 4 Cylinder!!!!  Looks like history might repeat itself!</p>
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		<title>By: Horatiu B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horatiu B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-55200&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gragop&lt;/a&gt;: If there is something that I don&#039;t doubt BMW, then it&#039;s the reliability when it comes to their engines. They have lots of flaws as a carmaker, but engines are their strongest selling point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-55200" rel="nofollow">Gragop</a>: If there is something that I don&#8217;t doubt BMW, then it&#8217;s the reliability when it comes to their engines. They have lots of flaws as a carmaker, but engines are their strongest selling point.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t like this other then to say how rare my car will be come .. I love my V10 M5 ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t like this other then to say how rare my car will be come .. I love my V10 M5 ..</p>
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		<title>By: GreenPlease</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenPlease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, quad turbo shouldn&#039;t be a reliability nightmare. Each turbo runs a single cylinder so very standard (and durable) single scroll turbos can be used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, quad turbo shouldn&#8217;t be a reliability nightmare. Each turbo runs a single cylinder so very standard (and durable) single scroll turbos can be used.</p>
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		<title>By: Gragop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gragop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quad turbos sounds like a reliability nightmare...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quad turbos sounds like a reliability nightmare&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: my.IS - Lexus IS Forum - BMW cutting V8 engine production to focus on four-cylinders engines</title>
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		<dc:creator>my.IS - Lexus IS Forum - BMW cutting V8 engine production to focus on four-cylinders engines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] cylinder engines.    Smart move by BMW? Would you rather see a large V8 engine in your  car?    BMW cutting V8 engine production to focus on four-cylinders engines  Some more Info:    [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] cylinder engines.    Smart move by BMW? Would you rather see a large V8 engine in your  car?    BMW cutting V8 engine production to focus on four-cylinders engines  Some more Info:    [...]</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 07:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the cease of production for V10 and V12 engines but not for V8! BMW should keep a V8 because NA engines where always a part of the tradition of the M cars. There is no way a 4 cylinder twin or quad turbo will sound better than a NA V8 or have the same response on high revs. As fas as performance and consumption is concerned the turbos are unbeatable...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the cease of production for V10 and V12 engines but not for V8! BMW should keep a V8 because NA engines where always a part of the tradition of the M cars. There is no way a 4 cylinder twin or quad turbo will sound better than a NA V8 or have the same response on high revs. As fas as performance and consumption is concerned the turbos are unbeatable&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Horatiu B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horatiu B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 02:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-55096&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Artmic&lt;/a&gt;:  a quad-turbo will be an amazing piece of technology. That is something that will excite the BMW fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-55096" rel="nofollow">Artmic</a>:  a quad-turbo will be an amazing piece of technology. That is something that will excite the BMW fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Artmic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artmic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow this is just totally interesting :o
4 cylinder quad turbo or dual turbo&#039;s? 
hmmm if the performance is there, and as long as we can have a 300hp 3 series or 1 series i guess, then all is good :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow this is just totally interesting <img src='http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
4 cylinder quad turbo or dual turbo&#8217;s?<br />
hmmm if the performance is there, and as long as we can have a 300hp 3 series or 1 series i guess, then all is good <img src='http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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