Status: Name: Benny Nickname: benny Member since: 2008-06-05 15:17:03 Website URL: About me: I am a student from Germany, 23 years old, driving a 2007 MINI Cooper ;-) Any more information necessary?! Just go ahead and ask me! :-)
Wait until you’ve seen it in person. The interieur looks really great, and it feels great as well. I am not the best photographer around and maybe it looks like that on the pictures because of the flashlight, I don’t know exactly. But the quality is really excellent and looks really good. The flash made everything a bit too bright, but without the flash the pics hadn’t worked either. In person it is really good, and I am not exaggerating on this!
The lineup is in fact speculation from the usually well informed carmagazine AutoBild, and the 1.3 is not a type error, but exactly what they wrote in their magazine.
The picture is showing the engine of the 320si. This engine is installed in exactly the same position as any other 4-cylinder in the E90. And even in the WTCC, where you find the racing-version of this engine delivering around 280 hp, the engine is in the same position.
I hope that BMW brings some new 4-cylinder-petrol-engines to the market soon. I think that the engines currently offered by BMW (in the 116i, 118i, 120i, 318i and 320i) are not really good.
But the 4-cylinder-Diesel-engines are king of the hill, no matter if x18d, x20d or x23d, there is no real competition for them concerning fuel consumption and power-output.
Well, there was no M5 when I was there, that is why I didn’t make pictures of it.
There was a dark grey X5 3.0sd, but it was nothing special about it and that is why I don’t have fotos of it. There were a lot of “normal” cars like a 3-Series Touring, you can see these cars on every road, why should I publish them here? Just not necessary if you ask me. But I added a front-pic of the black X6 for you. I hadn’t put it online at the beginning because it is not too sharp, but if you wish…
Hehe, Alfa is a “good” alternative. If they are working than they are way to heavy, too much weight on the front-axle, horrible handling, unbelievable bad fuel consumption, bad interieur quality. BUT they look good. If you buy a car for looking at it and not for driving it – get the Alfa
You are right. I just think that BMW would never build a supercar with such “bad” performance numbers like Audi did with the R8. Audi has not got that sporty image, so they could not destroy something. If BMW would bring a supercar with R8-performance everybody would be disappointed.
Well, I am a fan of superfast cars, so if you ask me: YES, BUILD ONE, TODAY! But I don’t think it is necessary at the moment for BMW. And since they are trying to save money whereever they can at the moment I don’t think they invest money on such bonus-things like a supercar, they will concentrate on the basics. Because if the next 5-series sells like hell it will definitely bring them more money than any supercar could. I guess thats the way they are thinking.
To put it short: A supercar has to be superfast. Not only on the straights. So – for me – a current supercar, build in 2008, has to be in the league of a Lamborghini Murcielago or at least Gallardo, Ferrari F430, Porsche 911 Turbo or even faster. Something like an M3, RS4 or C63 AMG is not a supercar for me. Yes, these are fast cars, but for me a “supercar” is more special, not on the basis of a “normal” car, somehow exotic and very, very fast.
Well, very individual point of view, I know
Well, if you see that a standard M3 laps the Nordschleife in the same time as the R8… What kind of competition would it be to build a supercar for BMW that could destroy the R8? Even the new V10-R8 (R10 or however they will call it) will not be that much faster than the current Lamborghini Gallardo and so it won’t be much quicker than the E46 M3 CSL.
What Audi has done is building a car with supercar-looks, but it hasn’t got supercar-performance! Hey, the R8 is 4 seconds quicker on the Ring than the RS4, with the same engine. This is almost within tolerance on an 8-minute-lap…
I don’t think that light cars are that much of a technological innovation, the materials are all existing and if the customers would still buy it for the price that would be the result even a 5-series could be around 1000 kg with F1-technology and a massive use of carbon fiber. But only very few people would buy a 5-series with 1000kg if they can get a Merc E-class with 1800kg for half the price. So there is not so much testing necessary, all the things concerning weight can be tested in a laboratory. But it is very expensive to build really light cars. Well, we will see I still don’t think that the special version of the E92 M3 will be faster on the ring than the E46 M3 CSL. But we will see I would love to see a CSL and I would also be ready to pay a lot of money for it (if I had it) but I don’t think that the market is big enough to bring in the costs of development. Well, you brought the Veyron as an example. Of course, the Veyron is special, because it is THE car trying to show what is possible, it is not about beeing useful at all, not even for the company. Volkswagen wanted to show what they are able to do if they put in everything they have. BMW or Mercedes or any other big car manufacturer could have done that too but they did not think that it was necessary to boost their image. That’s all. The Veyron is all about image. And of course a BMW M3 CSL would also be good for BMWs sporty image, but, like I said before, since all my sources say unanimously that there won’t be a E92 CSL I can not imagine that there will be one.
Concerning Mercedes: They are still active in some racing series, like the DTM and of course Formula 1. Any big manufacturer could build a car that is faster than a stock-M3. Maybe not on the base of their regular cars, but if they would like to build a car with the only target to be faster than a M3, it would be easy work for them. Look at Nissan if you need proof Its just about the amount of money you want to invest. If you don’t have people good enough, you can buy them from any company you want, just a question of money The stock M3 is nowhere near what BMW can build if they want to. Even a CSL would not be anywhere near that. The basis is a 3 series Coupé. If BMW would like to build a car as fast as possible, it would not be based on a 4-seater, it would be a car just and only made for this purpose. Most likely not with a front-engine-layout.
I’m still not with you I agree, that AMGs are only fast on the straights, although the Black Series models seem to be fast too. Not on the level of a CSL, but the CLK63 BS lapped the Hockenheimring in the same time as the M3 E92. And I don’t think that Mercedes does not have what it takes to compete with BMW M, they just speak to other customers. If they would like to they could easily build a car faster than the M3. And in the same manner BMW could easily build a car faster than the M3. The question is if the market for a purist race-car is big enough to bring in the costs of development. And that is exactly why AMG and Audi RS are building cars, that are fast mainly on the straights. It is what most customers ask for. There may be people like us in internet-blogs and boards who really like the idea of the M3 CSL or the Lotus Elise, beeing light and fast around corners, but obviously there are more people who just want to have power power power on the straights.
I do agree with you that there will be some special edition of the M3. However it will be called, I bet that it won’t be as complex or as fast as the E46 M3 CSL. The time the old CSL made on the Nordschleife is fabulous, as you know it is in the league of Lamborghini Murcielago and so on. To build a car on the basis of the E92 that would be even faster is indeed possible. But they won’t build one, simply because the costs of development would be very high and only a few people buy an M3 CSL if they can get a Porsche GT3 for the same kind of money. That is why a CSL would have to be cheaper than a GT3, and I mean not by 1-3 thousand Euros. And that is why BMW would not make much money with it, if they would earn money with it at all.
So, to sum it up – special edition: yes. E46-CSL-competitor: no.
The M3 CSL might be faster than the SL65 BS, but only to a specific speed. And if you compare the cars on the Autobahn and accelerate from 80 km/h or from 100 km/h or something like that the M3 will just and only get destroyed.
There won’t be a CSL, because everyone who is near or inside BMW knows that there won’t be a CSL. If you read interviews with managers they always say that there won’t be a CSL. And, most important, there are no spy-shots or anything like that of a CSL around, because there a no CSLs testing. I would bet 50$, but since I don’t have Dollars here in Germany I can’t
The facelift of Coupé and Cabrio is usually around a year after the facelift of sedan and touring. But maybe BMW implements the new I-Drive for the 2009-modelyear. They did exactly the same in the 1-series and the X5 / X6, although there was no facelift on these cars.
Well, Mercedes claims a 3.9 0-100 km/h for their new SL65 Black Series. Of course, this car has a lot more weight and so on, but I don’t believe something as low as 3.7 0-60 for a M3 CSL. Despite the *fact*, that there won’t be a CSL. But even if BMW would bring a CSL it would not be that fast.
dropping weight on an M5 is not that easy, because the customers want luxury. They want a fast car, yes, but they don’t want to give luxury away for that speed.
I personally don’t think that the new engine will be an upgraded version of the engine found in the X6 and new 7 series. M-engines where always unique and not based on “normal” engines. It might well be a V8 with turbochargers, but I don’t think it is to similar to the current Twinturbo-V8 found in non-M-cars.
I like it, I really do. I think it combines elegance and sprtiness. Although the design is not the best thing about it, the technology is just superb. The cockpit is a dream… If I only had the money
How are you driving? Any working BMW Inline-6 should consume not more than 15 l/100km! And for 15 l/100km you have to drive like… I don’t wanna know I mean, okay, in Italy you have a lot of hills and if you drive fast it takes gas, for sure, but that much? I think there is something wrong with your car…
He does not blaim BMW but only the government! There was a website written on the car and he tells his protest against the high taxes on this website. This action has nothing to do with BMW, it would have been a burning VW / Audi / Honda / whatever if he had driven such a car.
From the sources I know there won’t be a CSL at all of the current M3. There might be a lightweight-3-series with less power. But an M3 CSL is very expensive to construct, it should be faster than it’s predecessor which is a very high goal, and there only few people out there willing to spend more than 100.000 €uros for a BMW 3-series. For that kind of money you can get a Porsche GT3 as well… So BMW can not produce such a car if they want to make money with it. And since BMW is very ungenerous concerning such projects…
If you ask me: No E9x M3 CSL!
I don’t know exactly about the swiss police, but I guess most of them are 525d, at least that is what they are driving in Germany if they are driving the 5-series. There are many 320d around too. Maybe in Switzerland they spend some more money and have 530d as standard. There will be some more powerful petrol-cars too I guess. But since police-cars usually get a lot of kilometres while their daily driving most European police-cars are Diesel-powered.
Photos: Black 2009 BMW 7 Series F01
November 18th, 2008 at 1:03 amWait until you’ve seen it in person. The interieur looks really great, and it feels great as well. I am not the best photographer around and maybe it looks like that on the pictures because of the flashlight, I don’t know exactly. But the quality is really excellent and looks really good. The flash made everything a bit too bright, but without the flash the pics hadn’t worked either. In person it is really good, and I am not exaggerating on this!
BMW 1 Series Engine Lineup
November 10th, 2008 at 12:07 pmYou should read http://www.bmwtoday.de more carefully
–> http://www.bmwtoday.de/2008/11/09/information-und-spekulation-zum-bmw-1er-f20/
The lineup is in fact speculation from the usually well informed carmagazine AutoBild, and the 1.3 is not a type error, but exactly what they wrote in their magazine.
Four-cylinder BMWs in the U.S - a good or bad idea?
October 19th, 2008 at 6:03 amThe picture is showing the engine of the 320si. This engine is installed in exactly the same position as any other 4-cylinder in the E90. And even in the WTCC, where you find the racing-version of this engine delivering around 280 hp, the engine is in the same position.
I hope that BMW brings some new 4-cylinder-petrol-engines to the market soon. I think that the engines currently offered by BMW (in the 116i, 118i, 120i, 318i and 320i) are not really good.
But the 4-cylinder-Diesel-engines are king of the hill, no matter if x18d, x20d or x23d, there is no real competition for them concerning fuel consumption and power-output.
Visual differences between BMW X1 and X3
August 28th, 2008 at 1:06 pmI guess we have to admit that this kind of camouflage is very very good…
Cars currently shown in the BMW Welt
August 2nd, 2008 at 8:55 amWell, there was no M5 when I was there, that is why I didn’t make pictures of it.
There was a dark grey X5 3.0sd, but it was nothing special about it and that is why I don’t have fotos of it. There were a lot of “normal” cars like a 3-Series Touring, you can see these cars on every road, why should I publish them here? Just not necessary if you ask me. But I added a front-pic of the black X6 for you. I hadn’t put it online at the beginning because it is not too sharp, but if you wish…
BMW Named UK's Cleanest Automotive Company
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:44 pmHehe, Alfa is a “good” alternative. If they are working than they are way to heavy, too much weight on the front-axle, horrible handling, unbelievable bad fuel consumption, bad interieur quality. BUT they look good. If you buy a car for looking at it and not for driving it – get the Alfa
Interview with BMW Chief of Development Klaus Draeger
July 18th, 2008 at 7:24 amYou are right. I just think that BMW would never build a supercar with such “bad” performance numbers like Audi did with the R8. Audi has not got that sporty image, so they could not destroy something. If BMW would bring a supercar with R8-performance everybody would be disappointed.
Well, I am a fan of superfast cars, so if you ask me: YES, BUILD ONE, TODAY! But I don’t think it is necessary at the moment for BMW. And since they are trying to save money whereever they can at the moment I don’t think they invest money on such bonus-things like a supercar, they will concentrate on the basics. Because if the next 5-series sells like hell it will definitely bring them more money than any supercar could. I guess thats the way they are thinking.
Interview with BMW Chief of Development Klaus Draeger
July 18th, 2008 at 6:25 amTo put it short: A supercar has to be superfast. Not only on the straights. So – for me – a current supercar, build in 2008, has to be in the league of a Lamborghini Murcielago or at least Gallardo, Ferrari F430, Porsche 911 Turbo or even faster. Something like an M3, RS4 or C63 AMG is not a supercar for me. Yes, these are fast cars, but for me a “supercar” is more special, not on the basis of a “normal” car, somehow exotic and very, very fast.
Well, very individual point of view, I know
Interview with BMW Chief of Development Klaus Draeger
July 18th, 2008 at 3:56 amWell, if you see that a standard M3 laps the Nordschleife in the same time as the R8… What kind of competition would it be to build a supercar for BMW that could destroy the R8? Even the new V10-R8 (R10 or however they will call it) will not be that much faster than the current Lamborghini Gallardo and so it won’t be much quicker than the E46 M3 CSL.
What Audi has done is building a car with supercar-looks, but it hasn’t got supercar-performance! Hey, the R8 is 4 seconds quicker on the Ring than the RS4, with the same engine. This is almost within tolerance on an 8-minute-lap…
2010 M3 CSL
July 17th, 2008 at 1:44 pmI don’t think that light cars are that much of a technological innovation, the materials are all existing and if the customers would still buy it for the price that would be the result even a 5-series could be around 1000 kg with F1-technology and a massive use of carbon fiber. But only very few people would buy a 5-series with 1000kg if they can get a Merc E-class with 1800kg for half the price. So there is not so much testing necessary, all the things concerning weight can be tested in a laboratory. But it is very expensive to build really light cars. Well, we will see
I still don’t think that the special version of the E92 M3 will be faster on the ring than the E46 M3 CSL. But we will see
I would love to see a CSL and I would also be ready to pay a lot of money for it (if I had it) but I don’t think that the market is big enough to bring in the costs of development. Well, you brought the Veyron as an example. Of course, the Veyron is special, because it is THE car trying to show what is possible, it is not about beeing useful at all, not even for the company. Volkswagen wanted to show what they are able to do if they put in everything they have. BMW or Mercedes or any other big car manufacturer could have done that too but they did not think that it was necessary to boost their image. That’s all. The Veyron is all about image. And of course a BMW M3 CSL would also be good for BMWs sporty image, but, like I said before, since all my sources say unanimously that there won’t be a E92 CSL I can not imagine that there will be one.
Its just about the amount of money you want to invest. If you don’t have people good enough, you can buy them from any company you want, just a question of money
The stock M3 is nowhere near what BMW can build if they want to. Even a CSL would not be anywhere near that. The basis is a 3 series Coupé. If BMW would like to build a car as fast as possible, it would not be based on a 4-seater, it would be a car just and only made for this purpose. Most likely not with a front-engine-layout.
Concerning Mercedes: They are still active in some racing series, like the DTM and of course Formula 1. Any big manufacturer could build a car that is faster than a stock-M3. Maybe not on the base of their regular cars, but if they would like to build a car with the only target to be faster than a M3, it would be easy work for them. Look at Nissan if you need proof
2010 M3 CSL
July 17th, 2008 at 12:22 pmI’m still not with you
I agree, that AMGs are only fast on the straights, although the Black Series models seem to be fast too. Not on the level of a CSL, but the CLK63 BS lapped the Hockenheimring in the same time as the M3 E92. And I don’t think that Mercedes does not have what it takes to compete with BMW M, they just speak to other customers. If they would like to they could easily build a car faster than the M3. And in the same manner BMW could easily build a car faster than the M3. The question is if the market for a purist race-car is big enough to bring in the costs of development. And that is exactly why AMG and Audi RS are building cars, that are fast mainly on the straights. It is what most customers ask for. There may be people like us in internet-blogs and boards who really like the idea of the M3 CSL or the Lotus Elise, beeing light and fast around corners, but obviously there are more people who just want to have power power power on the straights.
I do agree with you that there will be some special edition of the M3. However it will be called, I bet that it won’t be as complex or as fast as the E46 M3 CSL. The time the old CSL made on the Nordschleife is fabulous, as you know it is in the league of Lamborghini Murcielago and so on. To build a car on the basis of the E92 that would be even faster is indeed possible. But they won’t build one, simply because the costs of development would be very high and only a few people buy an M3 CSL if they can get a Porsche GT3 for the same kind of money. That is why a CSL would have to be cheaper than a GT3, and I mean not by 1-3 thousand Euros. And that is why BMW would not make much money with it, if they would earn money with it at all.
So, to sum it up – special edition: yes. E46-CSL-competitor: no.
2010 M3 CSL
July 17th, 2008 at 8:19 amThe M3 CSL might be faster than the SL65 BS, but only to a specific speed. And if you compare the cars on the Autobahn and accelerate from 80 km/h or from 100 km/h or something like that the M3 will just and only get destroyed.
There won’t be a CSL, because everyone who is near or inside BMW knows that there won’t be a CSL. If you read interviews with managers they always say that there won’t be a CSL. And, most important, there are no spy-shots or anything like that of a CSL around, because there a no CSLs testing. I would bet 50$, but since I don’t have Dollars here in Germany I can’t
2009 BMW 3 Series Official Release for the U.S Market
July 17th, 2008 at 7:15 amThe facelift of Coupé and Cabrio is usually around a year after the facelift of sedan and touring. But maybe BMW implements the new I-Drive for the 2009-modelyear. They did exactly the same in the 1-series and the X5 / X6, although there was no facelift on these cars.
2010 M3 CSL
July 17th, 2008 at 6:57 amWell, Mercedes claims a 3.9 0-100 km/h for their new SL65 Black Series. Of course, this car has a lot more weight and so on, but I don’t believe something as low as 3.7 0-60 for a M3 CSL. Despite the *fact*, that there won’t be a CSL. But even if BMW would bring a CSL it would not be that fast.
2010 M3 CSL
July 17th, 2008 at 4:10 am3.4-3.7? Never ever.
2011 BMW M5 to drop the V10 for V8
July 8th, 2008 at 5:39 amdropping weight on an M5 is not that easy, because the customers want luxury. They want a fast car, yes, but they don’t want to give luxury away for that speed.
I personally don’t think that the new engine will be an upgraded version of the engine found in the X6 and new 7 series. M-engines where always unique and not based on “normal” engines. It might well be a V8 with turbochargers, but I don’t think it is to similar to the current Twinturbo-V8 found in non-M-cars.
Another cool BMW 7 Series Video
July 7th, 2008 at 1:31 pmI like it, I really do. I think it combines elegance and sprtiness. Although the design is not the best thing about it, the technology is just superb. The cockpit is a dream… If I only had the money
First real life pictures of the 2009 BMW 7 Series
July 5th, 2008 at 7:11 amI like it, very much to be precise
Video: Racing action with the BMW Z4 Coupé
July 2nd, 2008 at 8:59 amThank you Frank, I updated the text, we mixed some things up with this, sorry.
Man protesting against gas prices by torching his BMW
June 30th, 2008 at 6:35 amHow are you driving? Any working BMW Inline-6 should consume not more than 15 l/100km! And for 15 l/100km you have to drive like… I don’t wanna know
I mean, okay, in Italy you have a lot of hills and if you drive fast it takes gas, for sure, but that much? I think there is something wrong with your car…
Man protesting against gas prices by torching his BMW
June 30th, 2008 at 3:02 amHe does not blaim BMW but only the government! There was a website written on the car and he tells his protest against the high taxes on this website. This action has nothing to do with BMW, it would have been a burning VW / Audi / Honda / whatever if he had driven such a car.
by the way it is an E36, not an E39
2010 BMW M3 CSL Rendering
June 27th, 2008 at 3:13 amFrom the sources I know there won’t be a CSL at all of the current M3. There might be a lightweight-3-series with less power. But an M3 CSL is very expensive to construct, it should be faster than it’s predecessor which is a very high goal, and there only few people out there willing to spend more than 100.000 €uros for a BMW 3-series. For that kind of money you can get a Porsche GT3 as well… So BMW can not produce such a car if they want to make money with it. And since BMW is very ungenerous concerning such projects…
If you ask me: No E9x M3 CSL!
Zurich Police riding in BMW 5-Series
June 16th, 2008 at 11:20 amI don’t know exactly about the swiss police, but I guess most of them are 525d, at least that is what they are driving in Germany if they are driving the 5-series. There are many 320d around too. Maybe in Switzerland they spend some more money and have 530d as standard. There will be some more powerful petrol-cars too I guess. But since police-cars usually get a lot of kilometres while their daily driving most European police-cars are Diesel-powered.
More details of next BMW X3
June 6th, 2008 at 10:30 amI like the front, looks powerful and agressive…
The rear and sideline, well… There is room for improvements I guess