Top Gear Speed week: BMW M4 CS vs Mercedes-AMG E63 vs Audi RS3

BMW M4, News | October 27th, 2017 by 231
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Top Gear’s Speed Week features some of the most incredible performance cars on the road, from all different makes, all different styles and all different …

Top Gear’s Speed Week features some of the most incredible performance cars on the road, from all different makes, all different styles and all different levels of performance. Slowly but surely, Top Gear will find a winner by putting the cars up against each other and seeing which is better, and eliminating cars one by one. While it’s not the easiest task to compare two very different cars, it does show off their different strengths and weaknesses, as performance cars. The latest three-way match-up consists of the BMW M4 CS, Audi RS3 Sedan and Mercedes-AMG E63 S.

These three are very, very different cars. One is a rear-drive sports coupe, one is an all-wheel drive compact sedan and the other is an all-wheel drive/rear-wheel drive luxury performance sedan. The only real common denominator is that they’re all brutally fast. So which one is best? TG finds out.

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First laps are done in the rain at Knockhill. Here, the Audi RS3 shines. Its impressive Haldex-based Quattro all-wheel drive system and rear-diff are capable of shuffling power around to the needed axle at moments notice. So it has tenacious grip, allowing the RS3 to hang onto corners in the wet far better than anything else in the test. Combined with its crazy grip, its 400 hp 2.5 liter turbocharged I5 engine makes it quite possible the fastest car in the test, in the wet, says TG.

In the wet, the Mercedes-AMG E63 S is also brutal good fun. Its all-wheel drive system is far more capable of shifting power to the rear than the RS3’s, making it far more fun. Yet, its grip and stability is just as good. Combine that grip and rear-drive bias with a 600 hp 4.0 liter twin-turbocharged V8 and the AMG becomes an absolute riot.

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The only car in this test that hurts in the rain is the BMW M4 CS. Its punchy 464 hp 3.0 liter turbocharged I6 and snappy rear-wheel drive makes it a bit dangerous in the wet. It slides and oversteers a bit uncontrollably and can be a bit scary.

Once the track dried up, though, some personalities switched. Whereas the RS3 was an absolute joy to drive in the wet, where it defied physics and became a hilarious hooligan, it became a bit too safe and boring in the dry. Its traction is too good and its handling too predictable to be exciting. It’s still very fast and very effective, just a bit lifeless. So the RS3 is a great everyday sports car, as it can be fast no matter the conditions while also being civilized, but it’s the first one of these three to be eliminated.

The BMW M4 CS, however, came alive in the dry. It handling became delicate, its steering communicative and its balance sharp. While it was manic and frightening in the wet, it was predictable and dynamic in the dry, being an excellent sports car. Though, its one-trick-pony personality means it’s also eliminated.

So it’s the Mercedes-AMG E63 S that wins this comparison. The reason is that its personality never changed. It was great fun, regardless of the weather. It’s brutally fast, wild good fun and impressively predictable, regardless of conditions. So the AMG moves on.

[Source: Top Gear]

231 responses to “Top Gear Speed week: BMW M4 CS vs Mercedes-AMG E63 vs Audi RS3”

  1. kenny sauray says:

    Said it before and I’m going to say it again. The E63s is the best sedan on the planet period, forget it’s big brother the S63 AMG, this is the car that we want. Before you ask what about the M5, well the M5 doesn’t have the elegance and interior of the E63s, it may have the speed to keep up, maybe, but this E63s is the complete package and it proves that this 4.0 litre engine is one of the best V8 on the market if not the best.

    • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

      Why is the M3 up against the E, shouldn’t it be C? Would still sooner have the M550i over a Mercedes, the ones I’ve seen look great, sound better, beautifully finished. I can live with it only being quicker than the last M5.

      • kenny sauray says:

        A M550i does not look better than the E63s, you may like it better but it looks pretty much the same as the last F10. It definitely doesn’t and will not match any AMG cars in the sound department, it just won’t happen. It may be well finished for a BMW but it cannot match the Mercedes elegance and luxury, that is in another class of its own.

        • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

          I started following BMW in 1970 because they were an alternative to Mercedes’ dull status quo. Appearance is subjective & Mercedes’ dull cloned sedan in 3 sizes still bores me. The fact they had to buy AMG to compete with M is another reason they don’t interest me. I will never be old enough to want a Mercedes. Or elegant or luxurious enough, nor trying to prove to anyone I am. M550i all the way!

          • kenny sauray says:

            You do sound old but that is beside the point. Mercedes is making and has been making better and nicer looking cars than BMW, that is just a fact. If you are talking about status quo, Mercedes definitely outshines in that department by a mile. AMG is in another league than the M division nowadays we are not going to go there, no competition any more, M division is dead. I’m a BMW owner but I’m not delusional enough to think BMW can hang with Mercedes at this stage, there is a reason why Mercedes is more appealing to people and the prestigious name only play a small factor in it.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Since you’re not familiar with it, let me point out that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, THAT is the fact. “M Division is dead” strips you of all credibility. I remember when performance testing couldn’t be completed on AMGs because their one size fits all V8 would chew up the tires. Are you a bot or just a troll who doesn’t know what site you’re on? Mercedes are so appealing they sell them as Infinitis, as well as their own compact fwd. hatches & sedans. Congratulations on the prestigious name. It also goes on garbage trucks, busses, cabs & Sprinter vans.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Mercedes cars are better looking period, BMW cannot compete there. One size fits all 3,4,5,7 series and I’m not going to talk about the dated interiors from the 90s I have on my 5 series.
            M division is dead, because absolutely nothing special is coming out of it, it is getting whooped by even the American. AMG is shitting on it in every single way, how? Think about how exciting it is to be associated with a AMG GT R, a E63s, the project one and winning formula one 4 years in a row. What do we have at BMW to compare?….. exactly.
            Yes even with garbage trucks and taxis the name Mercedes is still a lot more prestigious, that is the whole point, Mercedes can sell anything it want at any premium as it does and people would still buy them like hot cakes, that is exactly how appealing it is to the masses. Do you think BMW can sell garbage trucks and still sell cars in the millions like MB? NO. BMW can barely ask 150k for its cars, hope now you understand what prestigious is

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            BMW make motorcycles & Rolls Royce’s, NOT garbage trucks. You are wasting your time. Mercedes do not waste mine. I gave up on Mercedes when they refused to produce their gorgeous C111 prototype. BMW, a much smaller company, allowed Mercedes’ former designer to create their Turbo Concept, which led to the M1. BMW left F1 years ago, after it inspired their V10 M5 & M6. Now their r&d goes into fuel cell, autonomous & the i3 & i8, which Mercedes have NO competition for. As with AMG, Mercedes’ F1 & “hypercar” are cheque book engineering, they exist because Mercedes bought other companies (like the Audi R8 existing because VAG bought Lamborghini). Hypercar is British. Not German. Hitler, who used to be chauffeured in Mercedes, must be rolling over in his grave. The rest of your statements are equally unsubstantiated and fact-free.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Lol BMW does not make Rolls Royce, you are proving that you don’t know much. You cried about Mercedes buying AMG, which is not even the case, but your hypocrisy won’t let you judge BMW for buying a well-known British brand to compete, lol. Mercedes build garbage trucks and still more prestigious than BMW and you fail to see how bad that is, lol.
            BMW was a failure in F1, Mercedes has 4 title under its belt, you lost there also.

            The i8 is a failure, hence why will not go that route. Mercedes F1 existed because it has been in F1 since the 50s as a winner and came back as an engine supplier for Brawn and is dominating the sport. Mercedes hypercar car Project One will be built by Mercedes F1 car experts which are located Brackley, but this a Mercedes project doesn’t matter where it is being assembled, this is coming from the man who said the Rolls Royce is make by BMW.

            Hitler love his Mercedes because he said they were the best his country had. At the same time BMW did tried to sell the company 4 times to Mercedes after WWII and went on to sell pots and pans to stay in business. Now you see why prestige matter?

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            So who does manufacture Rolls Royce? Keebler cookie elves in a magic tree?

          • kenny sauray says:

            BMW own RR, it does not manufacturer Rolls Royce, that is a fact. Imagine a Rolls Royce with a BMW badge on it? Lol lol lol. Mercedes left a dominating racing history because of the 1955 lemans disaster and came back with a vengeance, again another prestigious point that BMW cannot match. They are also the most winning team in DTM, racing history that BMW can only dream of. You can continue being a fanboy, but my car enthusiast ass will always win

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            BMW built the new R-R factory @ Goodwood. U have NO idea what ur talking about.

          • kenny sauray says:

            KID, a Rolls Royce is not a BMW give the dumb shit up! A Lamborghini is not a VW, get it? Own by and made by are 2 different things. Stop the embarrassment!

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            That’s up to you. You can’t even find the right page.

          • Donald Dong says:

            100% accurate. Rolls was originally built in Crewe, but after Bentely was acquired, BMW engaged Goodwood.

          • Donald Dong says:

            Ha Ha…

            Rolls Royce – BMW has equipped Rolls Royce the powerplants, iDrives and the best architecture from the 7 series into it… Well, without BMW, the Rolls wouldn’t even move.

            Racing History – Pointless comparsion, Mercedes has been good, but so did BMW, BMW won F1 in early 80’s with a 1960s era engine, their M3 comes from their own Motorsport divison, unlike the 190E 2.3 16, with Cosworth labelled all over it. As for the current F1, if you have to spend that much, its your choice to spend on something that is even more futuristic, perhaps buying Real Madrid.

            FanBoy and Your Ugly Exhaust pipe- People who loves BMW also respect Mercedes, even both manufaturers respect each other, both car companies are unique, and they are both very special, so if you have to call people fanboys, please remember its good to have people appreciate these products, and your axxhole is too low grade to be mention here, you should clean your hands before you type.

          • kenny sauray says:

            WHAT a POINTLESS comment. Fanboys are killing the BMW brand.

            Rolls-Royce would not move without BMW? SMH, Rolls Royce is a prestigious British brand, way more prestigious than BMW, if Rolls Royce would tomorrow put a BMW badge on it, within 2 hours it would be history, people around here call BMW a Poor Mans Benz, think about that for a second!

            BMW won a F1 championship in the 80s? LMAO. good one!

            Kid! You are a genius, a genius BMW fanboy, lol

          • Donald Dong says:

            Oh my God, doctor please save this dixk:

            Rolls Royce / Mini – BMW saves not only Rolls Royce but Mini, they help Mini to retrofit all their ancient manufacturing into an advanced environment so they will be built in more efficient manners. BMW also provides a wider range of engines for them to choose, and sooner even a Electric one, plus adding a funky version of iDrive in the Mini line. By doing that just to Mini, BMW has spent 300 million to reshape Mini. Rolls, on the other hand, has always been handmade, but they also lack tech, thats where BMW came in.

            F1 80s – Nelson Piquet won the F1 Driver’s Championship in 1983 with the BMW powered Brabham, so whats so funny…

          • kenny sauray says:

            These companies are own by BMW, they are not BMW cars, it is BMW’s job to make sure they are run smoothly.

            BMW has never won a F1 championship in. Never , not once. If you couunt as an engine supplier then Mercedes would have more championships than it does. It is funny the craps that fanboys will come up with to make their brand more important than they really are.

          • Donald Dong says:

            Oh little dixk, shut the hexl up…

            M12/M13 engine powers Brabbam to victory. Thats a fact. Doesn’t matter whether BMW owns it or not, Honda power was used to dominate F1 in the late 80s, the Mclaren chassis was never good enough to compete with Benetton, William, Ferrari, and even Tyrell, but because of Honda, the team won, BMW powered was the key reason why Nelson Piquet won in 83.

            As for whether BMW own or built, obviously prior to BMW takeover of these brands, they are not powered by BMW engines, thats common sense, but if everything is so perfect and so brilliant, as you have suggested, why BMW will end up saving them. The British Leyland Group must be doing a splendid job for the Mini, and Rolls must be out of this world. If indeed they are out of this world, all British big brands wouldn’t have been bought by foreigners, shouldn’t that be the other way round, because their previous owners don’t know how to keep them competitive. If they are so good, why BMW has to give them a V12, shouldn’t it be the other way round, why Rolls needs a iDrive, perhaps all Bimmers should have a Rolls Drive instead right.

            I never said they are BMW vehicles, but BMW own them and they basically save them from extinction, by enhancing their plants, by incorporating modern tech in order for them to have a second life. So, please shut the hexl up…

          • kenny sauray says:

            Hahaha, BMW never won a F1 championship, Mercedes won 4, Mercedes also have more racing history, it also have more DTM wins, lol.

            Your insults prove how I’m so in point, I will not go your route, you are just a brand whore.

            BMW does not make Rolls Royce, lol. That is a fact. Why does other brands wear the Mercedes badge proudly? LMAO. You are such a brand whore I got you flapping all over the place instead of you enjoying what each manufacturer have to bring to the table. Mercedes is killing

          • Donald Dong says:

            (Your insults prove how I’m so in point, I will not go your route, you are just a brand whore.)

            Its not an insult, its a compliment because you are capable to walk around with mud hanging around your dixk…

            (Hahaha, BMW never won a F1 championship, Mercedes also have more racing history, it also have more DTM wins, lol.)

            You don’t need to count how many times a manufacturer wins in F1, or DTM. Honda powered McLaren destroys the competition in the 80s, but did that really translate well into their road cars with the exception of the Accord. The Prelude, Integra, CRX, all gone, Acura never took off, and their Legend is no longer the Legend, its just a confused RLX). Racing success helps to filter tech down the pipeline, BMW doesn’t need it, half a billion for F1, when hybrid powerplants are now emerging. DTM on the other hand, BMW has been out for a while, but they won under the M4 in Drivers Championship, and back in the 80s the M3 makes enough headlines, it doesn’t really matter who wins, because power is limit to 500 horses nowadays, and many incidents on the track can alter results, so its not really a competition of engineering, its more equal racing, looking for drivers to make the best bit of each vehicle. Its more of a sport, why are you so hook for it… perhaps you should call Hamilton to ask him to sell you his F1 car, then you can proudly stamp the 3 point badge with AMG lettering all of your head.

            (BMW does not make Rolls Royce) – Well, obviously they don’t have to make it, they do better than that, they save Rolls Royce, like throwing them a lifeline, they don’t need to make it., they enhance Rolls Royce facilities. they equipped them with things that Rolls are desperate for. If you don’t remember, let me remind you, things such as propulsion are necessary if Rolls needs to find a buyer.

          • Donald Dong says:

            The N74 V12 that powers the Phantom, Ghost, Dawn and Wraith, are all from BMW, so whats so funny…

          • kenny sauray says:

            Funny, thOSe engines have BMW badges on them? LMAO

          • Donald Dong says:

            Yes, its very funny, BMW powerplants in Rolls Royce and Mini, thats beautiful, and I am laughing at you. Oh, didn’t you hear Aston Martin has to use AMG also….

          • kenny sauray says:

            Oh so no BMW badges on the Roll Royce? Or the engines? Yet you called it a BMW? LMAO.

            Pagani have the AMG badge on its cars, Aston Martin will have the AMG badge on its cars. Lol, I like to make fun of kids like you who are clueless about these brands, at the moment Mercedes is winning this war big time, you can cry if you want to but it is what it is. Since it seems like you are a BMW fan only, you should write to them and tell them you would like to see some improvements

          • Donald Dong says:

            OMG… it must be the alcolhol or your own puke,.

            Lets get something straight, if BMW didn’t take over Mini and Rolls, may be there will be no more Rolls or Minis in the car market. The same goes to Jaguar, if Tata lets go, or AMG suddenly decides to go separate ways, there won’t be anymore Aston, because Ford doesn’t want to supply anymore.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Let it go kid! A Roll Royce is not a BMW.

          • Donald Dong says:

            let it go kid,,, a Rolls Royce is powered by BMW. Its not a BMW but its powered by BMW, and its techs are from BMW. Ok, kid, please go and reinstate your driver licence before you are allowed to comment here. Make sure don’t go to DMV when you are drunk…

          • kenny sauray says:

            Can you imagine a BMW badge on a Rolls Royce? LMAO. That is some funny shit, poor BMW fanboys and their wishful thinking

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            While Mercedes rebadge their volume sedan as Maybach in another failed attempt to compete with Rolls. Going by press reviews, new Phantom is even more in a class of its own.

          • Donald Dong says:

            As for the badges, that you are fascinated so much by it, let me make it clear, I didn’t call a Mini or a Rolls a BMW. All I said, is that they are powered by BMW, and things that you don’t see in those vehicles have now been incorporated into those vehicles because BMW provides for them. Thats it, so if you are drunk or your dixk is still stuck on someone else axxholx, good luck, and good night.

          • Donald Dong says:

            Are you still stuck on badges, or you suffer from some type of concussion….

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Corporate, moron. Do Audi’s wear a VW badge? No three-pointed star when Mercedes owned them, either.

          • Donald Dong says:

            Does it matter? You can put Hello Kitties Badges on them as you like, but what matters most is those engines were provided by BMW…. Jesus Christ, this guy is so gone, please seek medical help immediately

          • kenny sauray says:

            BMW own them of course it is supposed to provide for them but those brand were purchased by BMW, BMW did not make those brands, never have, never will. If that was the case Bmw would be called a Benz if Mercedes had acquired them when BMW had financial issues and wanted to sell the company to Benz, not once, but 4 times.

            The fact is a BMW badge would devalued a Rolls Royce and that is what you are afraid to say, I said it for you. In the meantime, other brands like Pagani and Aston Martin don’t have that fear. Think about it. I’m done with you

          • Donald Dong says:

            How can BMW make a Rolls Royce brand. Rolls Royce exist long ago, so does Mini, are you ok…

            BMW loves Mini, because Mini is classic, the same with Rolls, but they both suffer under previous managment that puts them in awlful position, BMW tears down the old Mini plants, and rebuilt them, then provide tech, propulsion and advanced manufacturing for Mini. They want Mini to succeed even if they have the 1 Series, they love the Mini so much even iDrive they produce is more funky for the Mini.

            As for Rolls, they don’t need such major rework, Rolls are handmade so the things that Rolls are in a bit of trouble, like powerplants, and Techs, BMW provides for them, plus the best architecture under the 7 series were also incorporated into Rolls.

            So, I don’t know what you are drinking, you hate BMW, thats ok, even if you hate your wife, its fine for me. The badge on the powerplant, doesn’t matter whether it says Rolls or Mini, they are BMW powerplants, the same with iDrives.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Funny, you were the one that brought up Roll Royce into this conversation saying BMW have Rolls Royce. BMW bought other established brand to add to its resume, lol.

          • Donald Dong says:

            Please, go to the closest Starbucks to find the strongest cup of coffee, then get some detergents, because your water pipe is dirty.

          • Donald Dong says:

            (BMW own them of course it is supposed to provide for them)

            Another wrong statement, just because of BMW owns Rolls, that doesn’t mean it has to provide them with engines, technicals or other necessities, its not a requirement, they can do whatever they want, but BMW has been very serious as an investor, and they don’t want just a brand under its portfolio, they want to make them even better. 300 million into retrofitting all Minis production plants with advanced manufacturing proves what BMW stood for. As for Rolls, the critical areas where Rolls really needs have been provided by BMW, proving BMW is one of the best company in the world

          • kenny sauray says:

            No it proves that you can by anything to make as name for yourself. When BMW start to make Rolls Royce and put their badges on them you can talk. Nobody give a shit if BMW provides another brand with idrive or engines, MB is doing the same and the difference is you don’t here their fanboys claiming those other brands[Pagani, Aston, Lotec] reason why is The Mercedes brand name is big enough and prestigious enough on its own, it doesn’t need to buy other brands for others to know that it is the top dog.

          • Donald Dong says:

            Nope, people do care, because without propulsion, how can Rolls rolls out the assembly line, and without iDrive, what are they going to put in there, a cassette box, or a USB interface, asking the buyer to bring its own laptop, and create its own application. Besides, without BMW, where will Rolls be built, in your garage, they done the deal in Goodwood, so what are you babbling about, still drunk.

          • Donald Dong says:

            Well, it doesn’t matter how much you want to bash BMW, without BMW, Rolls Royce vehicles may well be in the history book, the same goes with Aston Martin, if AMG didn’t take over from Ford. AMG doesn’t need Aston, they have everything, the same with BMW doesn’t need Rolls. As for the Mini, since they have to compete with the Japanese front drive platforms, without the total package, its sayonara, I am happy that BMW and Mercedes take over these iconic British brands, and give them a second lifeline. They may not be my taste, but they are classic, and now they have the best of both worlds. Happy for them to be still around.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            No, they just rebadge them as Infinitis.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Mercedes is the luxury brand leader around the world, record sales every single month. BMW is 2nd and about to get over taken by Audi. You are purely delusional.
            Mercedes is making better cars, don’t matter what it makes it will forever be more prestigious than BMW

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            BMW outsold Mercedes most of this century, the latter have gone down market for volume (a pick-up?!), BMW anticipate 50% increase in volume on new ICE, EV & hybrids. Didn’t realize A Class was prestigious. In your world.

          • kenny sauray says:

            MERCEDES outsold BMW for 25 years straight, BMW only 10 years, 25>10.
            Mercedes is on its way to 2 in a row, beating BMW badly in sales again.
            Anything that carries the Mercedes badge, carry the brand on its shoulders and the prestigious badge, even a garbage truck.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Mercedes have historically always been the larger company, they dropped the ball while they were screwing over Chrysler.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            You just identified Mercedes’ problem – volume is not luxury. They are diminishing their brand with down market 4 cyl. fwd. compacts, hatches, Japanese co-production & a frikkin’ pick-up. Are they Honda?! BMW are using their 1st fwd. platform to expand their range, everything else – Z4, 8, X7, EVs, hybrids – is up market & more lucrative. The new 5 is already breaking profit records.

          • kenny sauray says:

            MERCEDES-AMG 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 F1 champion. Lewis Hamilton 4th world championship.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Again, unrelated, irrelevant.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Yay! MINI, Range Rover & Rolls Royce only exist today because of BMW’s ownership.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            BMW were awarded Rolls Royce despite their bid being less than VAG’s due to their positive pre-existing relationship providing them drivetrains for several years.

          • Donald Dong says:

            (BMW own them of course it is supposed to provide for them)

            Well, just because you are married, doesn’t mean that you can satisfy your other half in bed…..

          • Donald Dong says:

            If you are drunk, please get a cup of coffee, then puke, if your dixk ends up in a guy’s axxhole, please take it out, before it gets muddy.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            BMW = record sales, expanding 2 factories, building new green 3 plant in Mexico, quadrupled sales since the ’80’s with another 50% increase forecast. So you don’t know what killing is, either. 4 cyl. compacts, hatches & Japanese co-productions are killing your “prestige” brand.

          • Senne says:

            Idiot. Rolls-Royce themselves said that it’s been a good thing that they’re owned by BMW. They would not be where they are now if BMW hadn’t bought the brand. That’s a fact. They simply wouldn’t have the resources that they have now.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Rolls is still not being made by BMW and you got a little fanboy calling people idiot? 😭😭😭😭

          • Senne says:

            Rolls is all BMW tech (drivetrain, infotainment,…), just like Mini is. That’s a fact. And that’s all that matters. I won’t discuss any further with you since that would be a waste of time and energy.

          • kenny sauray says:

            BMW techs or engines does not make a Rolls Royce or a mini a BMW, that is a fact. Do you know how many manufacturers specially British ones borrow parts and technologies from other manufacturer? Don’t tell me you fanboys think a person driving a Rolls Royce think they are driving a BMW? So people buy Minis because they think it’s a BMW too? Lol. Pagani uses AMG engines, Aston Martin uses AMG engines and technology, Infinity, Mitsubishi, Chrysler, Nissan all use Mercedes products, but you don’t hear me saying they are Mercedes. The point here is a BMW is a BMW and that is that. End of story

          • Senne says:

            So when exactly did I say that a Rolls-Royce or Mini is a BMW? Are you drunk? I only said that they use BMW technology.

          • Donald Dong says:

            Mr. Thick is back, getting thicker and thicker

          • kenny sauray says:

            Never went anywhere. Like I said, we can do this all day. I’m still going to stick on the subject. The E63s whooped the M4 CS, whooped the M760li and anything BMW can come up with, even if BMW can manage to make the M5 better, it still wouldn’t be able to match the AMG GT R or Project one.

          • Donald Dong says:

            You are still stuck here, Mr. Mer-gasm . Let me help you to digest, Rolls Royce was kicked out from Crewe, that was where their vehicles were made, BMW gave them a new home in Goodwood, very generous ha…. BMW also told Rolls, don’t worry you won’t go under, you just do what you do best, the things that you can’t do, we will provide. Thats very generous, BMW treats Rolls like a son, with respect and dignity.

          • kenny sauray says:

            I will be here. You are still on that BMW make Rolls Royce stuff? 😭😭😭😭 Go on YouTube and find out what actual Rolls Royce owners have to say about if BMW put its badges on a Rolls Royce[Hilarious shit]😭😭😭😭😭

          • Dailybimmer says:

            You are the same troll with many nicknames who visit this site from time to time, always saying E63S AMG 2017 is better, faster and more luxurious looking than Bmw M5 F10, period.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Actually I’m the BMW owner that is not delusional and letting dummies like you see that brand whore shit is real. I don’t own a M5 or a E63s, it the E63s faster than the current M5? The answer is yes, until the new M5 come out, I don’t want to hear you crybabies saying shit, the E63s is whooping the M4 too. As you can see in this test by TG and on other tracks

          • Dailybimmer says:

            Your a poor clown and a liar.
            Clowns like you don’t deserve to own german cars. Even a Dacia would be too good for you.

          • Dailybimmer says:

            You are a liar, you are not a Bmw owner.

          • kenny sauray says:

            I’m not loyal to any brand, I have about 6 different brands in my house as we speak. Brand whore is a disease. Mercedes is laying the pipes on BMW and making fanboy like you look bad, go learn to use your turn signal! Lol

          • kenny sauray says:

            You would have a case for the 3 sizes for the Benz, if only BMW didn’t start that same exact trend with the 3,4,5 and 7 series. Kinda hypocritical of you to even mentioned something this obvious. To MB’s credit , the C and E-class took the beautiful elegant lines of the Luxury market leader(S-class) not the other way around, BMW cloned the 3 series and made a 4, 5 and 7 series out of it, that is a shame because the 3 series is considered the cheapest version of the 4

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            BMW actually hired Mercedes ’60’s designer to prep. their 1st modern post-war model range in the ’70’s, he created the one sausage 3 sizes line, so popular many manufacturers still rip it off today. BMW deviated from it in the Bangle years, got endless grief for it, despite the fact it marked the 1st decade in history that BMW outsold Mercedes, who were busy ruining Chrysler. The 3 has actually become a full model range unto itself, of course BMW have classic design cues but no clones. 3 is BMW’s volume model, not the cheapest anything. You are very confused. Explains your taste/lack there of.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Chris Bangle years were horrible at best, yes I’m very aware of that. The 3 series was cloned to make the 4,5,7 series. It is the cheapest BMW, Mercedes took the top dog and cloned it, it is a fact. BMW did the opposite and that is not a great idea. The interior of the S-class looks like the interior of a million dollar car, so Mercedes cloned that too. The 3,4,5,7 series share the same old interior design.
            Yeah. I knoow what site I’m on. I’m just honest and give credit where its due and spend my hard earned money on the best and if I had to purchase new right now it wouldn’t be BMW. You cannot get mad because the competition is better, you need to embrace it and hope you can do better the next time around. MB is winning big time at every level

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Great! They’re all yours. Now go away & take your p.o.s. Mercedes with you. Perhaps to Mercedesblog. Maybe they will care. Maybe.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Don’t get mad, I love to schools newbies like you. You thought you were dealing with some fanboy, my knowledge for these brands are way beyond you. I will not call any brand POS just because it is better, I will continue to give credit where its due. You can mail me a post card to say thank you for all the knowledge I gave youπŸ˜­πŸ€£πŸ‘

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Fanboys generally can articulate their admiration. As this comment shows, u r delusional.

          • kenny sauray says:

            MERCEDES > BMW
            Performance = Mercedes-AMG
            Luxury = Mercedes
            Dare you to compare!

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Nein.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Exactly! No comparison

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            No interest.

          • kenny sauray says:

            No competition. Getting outclassed

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Like you know class. New 5 is WhatCar?’s COTY, AutoExpress give it 5 stars & call it best executive saloon. And that was the 2.0 litre diesel!

          • Dailybimmer says:

            Nope.

          • Donald Dong says:

            Come on… You are so SHXT, you couldn’t even remember the slogan, “THE BEST OF NOTHING”

          • kenny sauray says:

            You are drunk kid, go home! I’m laughing because you think a Rolls Royce is a BMW. Instead of you talking about the main subject you went to try to tell me what BMW owns, like it was going to make a difference here, lol

          • Donald Dong says:

            First, I don’t drink, second, I don’t screw with the wrong sex, and lastly, I only offer facts…

            (You are drunk kid, go home! I’m laughing because you think a Rolls Royce is a BMW)

            Wraith, Ghost, Phantom and Dawn are all powered by BMW Powerplants, they all use BMW iDrives. Of course Rolls Royce is not a BMW, but without BMW supplying engines and technicals, Rolls Royce may no longer exist because very few buyers are interesting in buying them, and they will need provide Rolls with the same level of equipments similar to BMW.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Maybe you need to start drinking because you sound like you had a few too many. BMW doesn’t have anything similar to Roll Royce, not even close. Rolls are still being made by hands in Britain, lol. It is still not a BMW, I guess Porsche and Audi are the same because VW used the same parts in them, lol. Stop with your glorified BMW! It does not make RR and That is a fact

          • Donald Dong says:

            U are dead wrong…. BMW is head and shoulders above Rolls in these categories:

            1. BMW built their own engines
            2. BMW is up to date with todays technicals
            3. BMW keeps up very well with the compeition

            As for Rolls, they are underwhelming

            1. They need other people supplying them engines
            2. They are out of date on tech
            3. They have problems keeping up with competition.
            4. Their best features are auto doors for those who are handicap like you or the umbrella because its the first, and only in the segment, it has nothing to do with car engineering.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Ford also had to buy BMW V8s when they bought Range Rover & of course it is BMW V12 in the multi-million dollar McLaren F1.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Lol, now you are getting desperate and talking about who uses BMW engines. The point here is a Big heavy Mercedes trashed the best BMW have and the E63s is not even regarded as Mercedes best, not even close. Keep trying to deflect the main subject by talking about irrelevant shit

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Mercedes are the irrelevant shit. You don’t understand BMWblog, do you?

          • Dailybimmer says:

            Wtf are you talking about. Fuck off Troll we are tired to hear the same Bullshit from you again and again. Get a life loser.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            He doesn’t have to. He has 6 cars. And a keyboard.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Bavarian MOTOR Works, what do you think we’re talking about?! Not the formerly independent tuner Mercedes had to buy if they wanted performance engines. Apparently they continue to follow BMW with a new I6. Obviously not ready yet because they dumped their V6 into the S no Class.

          • kenny sauray says:

            MERCEDES-AMG 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 F1 champion. Lewis Hamilton 4th world championship. Legends!

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Acura sells Legends.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Legendary Racing History! Another reason why Mercedes is top.
            MERCEDES-AMG 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 F1 champion. Lewis Hamilton 4th world championship.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Just because you keep repeating something doesn’t render it relevant to this site in any way, just further evidence you are a crazy person.

          • kenny sauray says:

            I do it because it seems to hurt your feelings, lol. You should ask BMW to step it up and maybe 1 day it can be Formula one world champion

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            You have NO credibility. Stop flattering yourself, you poor, sad, desperate for attention acting out child.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Unrelated, irrelevant.

          • kenny sauray says:

            This what is related and very relevant though, the E63s beat the best BMW have to offer, yes the big executive sedan from Mercedes. Funny how you want to change the subject to what is related now, lol

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Mercedes are NEVER my subject. You’re the obsessive. No one else cares. Enjoy your gloat until the E’s actual competition hits the road – you know, the one that created the segment decades ago? The one that forced Mercedes to buy AMG? Or you’d have NOTHING to type about? You should send BMW a thank you card for creating the M5. Many do.

          • kenny sauray says:

            MERCEDES are never your subject? Yet here is the headline (Top Gear Speed week: BMW M4 CS vs Mercedes-AMG E63 vs Audi RS3) so why are you so jealous? Mercedes need to send BMW a thank you card? LMAO. Mercedes have a AMG GT R, a AMG GT S, a project one. The glory will always be there kid, BMW have nothing to compare against these cars.
            I thought you wanted to keep it relevant? The E63s would embarrassed the M760li, no competition there. The M4 is the best BMW have, the M760li is just quicker, the M4 would run circle around a M760li on the track, hence why the M4 is the best from BMW. Remember when the W212 E63s was spanking the F10 M5? No? The W213 E63s is beating M4 on tracks and more fun to drive, yes a big executive sedan is doing that to the M4, I highly doubt the M5 will be any better, even if it is, it will never outshines the E63s luxurious interior and reliability

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Do you have no one else to play with, lonely sad little child? Are Mommy & Daddy ignoring you? Did they kill themselves rather than listen to your unending senseless babble? Why r u still typing about something that clearly is not the subject of this blog? Go play in traffic. Your choice of brand, whore.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Lol love making fanboys cry. I’m the only one talking about the main subject here. Read them again. I said it before, here it is again. E63s beats the best BMW have to offer and it is not even the best AMG by a mile. That is the main subject, go ahead and tell me about Rolls Royce! Lmao

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            It is NOT the main subject on BMWblog,u r just the only one talking about it. U r as dull as their cars. Why talk about Rolls? Mercedes can’t touch them.

          • kenny sauray says:

            E63s beating the M4 is the main subject here. You got away from it because it hurts your feelings and prides.
            “The BMW M4 CS, however, came alive in the dry. It handling became delicate, its steering communicative and its balance sharp. While it was manic and frightening in the wet, it was predictable and dynamic in the dry, being an excellent sports car. Though, its one-trick-pony personality means it’s also eliminated.”TG

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Feelings? Prides? You don’t own 6 cars. You’re not old enough to drive.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Ooh, they hurts your feelings too? Good thing they are not all Mercedes, you would be on suicide watch, lol

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Your boredom will kill me, instead of just making me want to die.

          • kenny sauray says:

            You shouldn’t hate on others because they are better than you or make better things than you. It should make you want to try harder and do better. I tried to keep it on the main subject with you but you have no interest, hence why you keep deflecting to orher subjects. Iwill see you back here soon, very soon. There will be comparisons between the M760Li and the S63 and the E63s vs the new M5. Sadly, The AMG GT R ripped the M4 GTS and BMW will never be able to do anything about Project one

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            You still don’t understand BMWblog, do you? Your ONLY subject is NOT the subject of this blog. Yes, I have NO interest, for decades, never will. There is NO comparison (unless I’m having difficulty sleeping). I am not here for you, troll elsewhere.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Yes I do, the title of this subject is about a Audi, a BMW and a Mercedes, perhaps you should check your eyes so you can actually see it is the subject matter. You have no interest because you are what we called fanboy , only thing you see is BMW and don’t realize that you are now the laugh of the party

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            BMWBLOG. You can’t write or read.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Oh I can write and read, not sure about you though.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            just wishing I couldn’t.

          • kenny sauray says:

            A little education is always helpful. But seeing that you are a fanboy and ready to attack anything or anybody that views are different than yours, specifically when they don’t think BMW is doing a good job

          • kenny sauray says:

            I also know that you are getting owned

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Ha! Your keyboard is probably rented.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Probably, but it seems like I can afford to rent it for a very long time, not sure if you can do the same. At this rate you are probably going to miss on your next payment on that second hand 3 series or pay for your rented computer. I’m using my S8, I can do this all day, don’t have car payments, all paid for.

          • kenny sauray says:

            I’m not trolling you, I’m speaking on the subject matter here. You are no car enthusiast, you are just a BMW fanboy

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            YOUR subject matter.
            Not mine.
            P*ss off.

          • kenny sauray says:

            And I did not come here to bash anybody, I came here on this blog to have discussions with like minded individuals until I noticed it is covered with low IQ fanboys. This used to be a great blog, hence why I subscribed to it.

          • kenny sauray says:

            To tell you the truth. I’m giving up BMW and tell all my 120k followers to do the same

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            You not coming here to bash anybody is yet another TOTAL FAIL on your part. You don’t discuss, u type crap, get called out for it & then name call fanboys/badge whores. If u want this to be a great blog? Leave.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Still the main subject here
            “So it’s the Mercedes-AMG E63 S that wins this comparison. The reason is that its personality never changed. It was great fun, regardless of the weather. It’s brutally fast, wild good fun and impressively predictable, regardless of conditions. So the AMG moves on.”

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Apparently TG couldn’t secure vehicles that are actual competitors, if you want to wet yourself over a 3-way between a hatch, I6 coupe & V8 sedan, go for it. You’re the only one who cares. Lewis Hamilton doesn’t care & Mercedes PAY him.

          • kenny sauray says:

            You cared enough to tuned in. You were thinking you were going to come here and blabbing away on how stupid TG is until you found opposition [me]

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Actually, I surf to learn. Which obviously doesn’t involve you @ all. Again, NO credibility disqualifies you from opposition (you).

          • kenny sauray says:

            I can go on and on and hurt your feelings by telling you how people make fun of BMW owner, but I’m also a BMW owner, but I have class and I love other brands

          • Dailybimmer says:

            You don’t own Bmw you are promoting hatred file language lies and Mercedes propaganda. You should be banned once again.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Where is the hatred? Quote it! If by telling the truth that got your feelings hurt and you would like to gag others because they disagree with you, go for it! All it means is that I own because you cannot handle a little conversation

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Who r u even typing @?! The voices in your head?!

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Unrelated to my comment, also irrelevant. An idle threat is class?! You have no credibility, my feelings are untouched. I’m here because this is BMWblog. Not Trolls R Us.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            One benefit of being old is BMW were selling 1 car, a 4 cyl. sedan here, when I started following them, so I’ve watched them go from zero to hero. While Mercedes went from dull to duller.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Read the new Phantom’s reviews – NO ONE has anything similar! Certainly not a rebadged Mercedes volume sedan with extra overpriced tinsel.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            BMW also revived MINI & Range Rover, believe they are involved with aviation Rolls Royce as well.

          • Dailybimmer says:

            “MERCEDES > BMW”
            Yeah, but only with Sprinter, Vans, busses, trucks and Pick up’s. :-)

            “Performance = Mercedes-AMG?”

            M3/M4 beats C63 AMG
            M760i owns S65 AMG
            M5 F90 owns both E63 and E63 S AMG.
            M8 will destroys AMG GT R.
            M550i fucks E430 AMG in the ass.
            M2 >AMG A45 and CLA 45
            X5M > ML63AMG
            X6M> GL E63 S AMG.

            “Luxury = Mercedes?”

            RR > Maybach

          • kenny sauray says:

            This is what happens when you give a BMW fanboy crack.
            C63s trashed the M4/M3 then BMW made a Competition package.
            C63S > M4/M3
            760il get shit on by the S63, there’s no new S65.
            S63 > 760li
            M5 F10 gets destroyed, not beat, destroyed by the W213 E63s. F90 M5 is not out yet, another delusional fanboy dream.
            E63s > M5
            AMG GT R destroyed M4GTS in every way. No competition there. BMW doesn’t have a M8, lol.
            AMG GT R > M4 GTS
            M2 get owned by the A45 over and over again on tracks
            A45 > M2
            SL63 > M6
            CLS63s > M6

            Luxury=Mercedes rules
            Mercedes make Maybach, even have its badges on them, poor BMW only owns Rolls Royce. You too a L there also.
            Jesus, get off the crack!

          • Dailybimmer says:

            Bullshit.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Dare you to leave.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Not going anywhere. I’m making fanboys cry,lol

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Only amusing to you, troll.

        • Dailybimmer says:

          You will never possess one, maybe in your dreams. Dream on.

    • jason bourne says:

      “the M5 doesn’t have the elegance and interior of the E63s”

      That’s totally subjective… That doesn’t make it any quicker or better handling than the M5.

      • kenny sauray says:

        If you think the E63s luxurious interior is subjective, you need not only to have your eyes check but you maybe in complete denial. The M5 still have the design language of the old F10 which has the same design language of my 90s 5 series. The E63s has been proven to be faster than the F10 M5 in every way, we don’t have any data on the new M5 yet to even come to a conclusion, just little fanboys wishes. The E63s is the fastest sedan on a track too as we speak.

        • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

          Since when does anyone buy a luxury sedan as a track car?! The dash is a frikkin’ video game. Subjectivity doesn’t require an eye test. You are on the wrong page.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Interior= Mercedes by a landslide any idiot can see how much elegance and modern Mercedes interiors are, no comparison whatsoever, In the meantime BMW is still making boring and dated interiors, what a ripoff

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Go away, troll.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Making fanboys mad. They see a E63s on TG beating the shit out they favorite brand and they go crazy.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Idiot, this is BMWblog, no one is here for your b.s. Since the E is actually up against the new M5 the results of this “test” are irrelevant.

          • Horatiu B. says:

            Ok. It’s enough. Next comes the ban.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Ban? Because fanboys cannot handle the truth about how Mercedes is trashing their little BMW? TG took a big heavy 2 tons Mercedes and it is more dynamic than the best BMW have to offer, beat it in the wet and dry, and it is more fun, all those shit that BMW claimed to be. BRING ON THE BAN! The truth would will be out there because every reviewer is saying the exact same thing

          • Horatiu B. says:

            Because you’re trolling. Using profanity. Etc

          • Dailybimmer says:

            The Mercedes troll is back.

          • Dailybimmer says:

            Do we hear seriuos criticim from a Mercedes Fanboy? Get the facts straight, Bmw’s Interior is drivers oriented and looks modern. Mercedes Interior looks shitty, old fashioned and baroque.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Lol, drivers oriented from the early 90s, stupid kids like this is the reason why BMW cannot keep up with the Competition.

            Mercedes put the same interior that it put in its million dollar Maybach in its $50k E-class, the interior that every single reviewer that is not being paid by BMW gave tremendous praise to Mercedes interiors in general. The interior language that that is in a 2017 BMW is the same language that I found in my 90s 5 series, the same boring outdated interior language that is being used in every single BMW. Yeah, if it ain’t broke why fix it kinda thing. BMW is getting trashed because of dummies

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Yes, Mercedes duelling videogames are so much nicer. Obviously you haven’t seen the interiors on the 8 & Z4 Concepts.

    • Donald Dong says:

      Ridiculouis comparison for the start, all 3 vehicles are different class, E63 AMG is actually a Mercedes V8, how can it be even fair to compare with a 6, thats a 1 litre less displacement on M3 and M4. Shouldn’t they put the M5 up there, this time they have a more interesting 4WD, and as for the Mercedes interior, you may be surprised how BMW has upper its game after they introduce the G12, 7 series, the new M5, will be just as lovely as the AMG, whether you like it or not, its your own preference

      • kenny sauray says:

        One thing I hate is brand whores, Mercedes is killing BMW in every aspect. TG took the best sedans that are out there and see which one is best and it is the E63s, there is no need to cry about it, the E63s as a big ass limo is running faster laptimes than most supercars, if that alone doesn’t impress you, you are not a car enthusiast, you are just a fanboy of 1 brand. Mercedes is where it is at right now, BMW have nothing out there that I can match at any level. Mercedes interiors are milestones ahead of BMW as we speak

        • Autoexpert says:

          Absolutely agree. One more strange thing is that some BMW fanboys say that Mercedes is for old people. Nonsense. I used to own a E39 5 Series for 10 years. I sold it this year and bought a 2007 E350. The difference is just day and night in favour of Mercedes-Benz. Now I know that I’ll never come back to BMW anymore. From reliability to ride comfort: MERCEDES-BENZ! And of course that 3-pointed star on the bonnet. You know that You’re behind of wheel of the best automotive brand in the world. Unlike BMW!

          • kenny sauray says:

            The say that out of jealousy, nothing else. They are throwing fuel on fire, hence why Mercedes is the number# 1 luxury brand in the world right now. One thing I realized long time a go is that only advantage BMW had over Mercedes is completely gone, and that was performance in the lower end of the spectrum, Mercedes always outshines BMW with its high end cars. Mercedes luxury, reliability and quality cannot be matched by BMW. It sucks the only thing they had going for them is gone, but the sad part is they are not doing anything about it, the thing is you have to be a complete brand whore to pick any BMW over its Mercedes counterpart

          • mod9 says:

            I agree with about eighty percent of your posts. Where I disagree is on the design of the F90 vs the E63, probably has to do with personal preference, but I like the M5 better. I think it looks better than its Mercedes counterpart.

            Secondly, I think all, not only Mercedes, all 3 German car manufacturers have lost their way design-wise. I have been a BMW fan until the E9 series which I still drive and enjoy but have always thought that Mercedes had the most attractive designs over BMW.

            Today, however, I think the only CURRENT Mercedes Benz that is worth the Benz design language is the S600 (my favourite Merc), that car looks majestic and absolutely stunning! The C class is as boring as hell, at least it is not as ugly as the 3 series.

            Moving on to performance, the Merc’s AMG has finally become a complete package, I am waiting for the comparison between it and the new M5, should be interesting. I am actually waiting to buy on of the two, depending on which one is better.

            I have said it a bit on these forums that I have lost faith in BMW and am loving what Mercedes is doing at the moment. The chances chances are quite high that my next car will be a Benz.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            E9?! After that Mercedes’ former designer did the new BMW range.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            #1 on fwd. 4 cyl. compacts. Congratulations. Maybe the pick-up will help. You know, the prestigious pick-up? Ha!

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Every word from your name on is b.s.

        • Donald Dong says:

          Little boy, I wouldn’t care less what you like or not, I own all the German Big 3s, don’t tell me your expert bull crxp, you idxxt, you are not qualified to speak, and to call people whores, your little cuxt.

          • kenny sauray says:

            I have a BMW 5 series, I have a Mercedes S-class, a Porsche 911 4s cabriolet and my wife have a Audi A6. Please save it for your little fanboys! I’m a car enthusiast. BMW cannot match my reliability with my Porsche and Mercedes. We can all love what we own without being delusional

          • Donald Dong says:

            First take your wife out of the equation, the German Big 3s in general are all pretty good, unlike you, I don’t need to mouth off anyone. If you like Mercedes, then go with it.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Ur a typist. & not even a good one.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Noticed I did not go to your level? Must be because I’m old enough to understand a brand whore when I see one

          • Donald Dong says:

            what level shxt head… you are either a fossil or you just crash into the tree holding a bag

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            Actually, you’re the only one here making that an issue.

    • Senne says:

      The M5 DOES have the elegance and interior on par with the E63. The way it’s designed is a question of personal preference. I personally like the way BMW interiors are designed more than how Mercedes does it. But that doesn’t mean they are not great interiors as well. Also, the materials used in the 5 Series and especially M5 are AT LEAST just as great as the E63. Probably even better in some places. So yeah the E63 is one of the best sedans on the planet. But especially with M xDrive now on the new M5, the M5 is at least just as great of an allround super saloon. It’s more than ever a matter of preference. And for me the M5 is the best sedan in the world, period.

      • kenny sauray says:

        The interior on the E63s is miles ahead of the M5, specially the dated F10 M5 you are referring to, there is no matter of preference there. Performance wise the E63s will destroy the F10 M5, absolutely no doubt about it, the F90 M5 will be as quick, but it won’t be as fun and nimble as the E63s and definitely will not be on par with the E63s’ interior. You can like what you have, I respect that, but majority opinion rule

        • Senne says:

          I am NOT referring to the F10 M5. I was talking about M xDrive. Should be obvious I was talking about the F90???

          What are you talking about that the F90 won’t be as fun or as nimble?! BMW has always been more fun to drive, just like Mercedes has always been more about luxury and nothing else. BMW is sportiness. However you can say that the E63 will be on par with the F90.

          The interior is on par. The materials used are excuisite, it’s driver oriented. It’s perfect.

          • kenny sauray says:

            I was referring to your M5, which is not a F90. BMW has always been more fun and nimble? LMAO, have you seen the reviews lately? This E63s as a big 2 tons executive sedan beat the most nimble car BMW have, the last generation M5 F10 got spanked in 90% of the reviews by the W212 E63s. Mercedes has always been about luxury, reliability, quality, safety and a little bit of performance, this generation Mercedes are a complete package and their performance exceeded BMW just like everybody else nowadays. BMW has always been the one trick pony, perfinance and that’s it, regardless if which BMW you sits in it feels like you are stuck in the 90s, you just don’t get that special feeling and as far as the only performance advantage BMW had, I can name 4 brands that does it better and cheaper. Mercedes are more expensive but they give you a complete package. Please stop the fanboy crap and look around you!

          • Senne says:

            New BMW M5 = F90. Before correcting someone you should do research. -_- Of course the brand new E63 is better than the old F10 M5. Wait till the first reviews of the F90 vs E63s. The M5 will show you why BMW has been the number 1 premium brand for over 10 consecutive years. And Mercedes only second. Just like Mercedes has always been luxury with hardly any sportiness, BMW has always been about driving pleasure in a quite luxurious package. Nowadays they have become extremely luxurious yet still very sporty and enjoyable to drive. Again, choosing between the two is, for the most part, a question of PREFERENCE. Now “please stop the fanboy crap and look around you!”.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Are you trying to tell yourself that the new M5 code name is F90? I thought you were a BMW fanboy? You should know the new M5 is the F90 and the one it replaced is the F10, guess your dumb ass need to do some research, specially for someone who claimed you own a F10 M5.

            Here is what happened to the last M5 in case you forgot.
            https://youtu.be/rY5oSik1eHs

            BMW only was the number 1 selling brand for 10 years? Lol, that’s it? Try 25 years for Mercedes, plus 2017 and soon 2018, you are dumber than most fanboys.

            Mercedes has always shit on BMW is performance, BMW never have answers for Cars like CLK GTR, SLS, SLR and now still don’t have answers for Cars like AMG GT R, S63, E63s and project one. Sit your butt down when we are talking about performance! Mercedes luxury, reliability, quality, safety and performance is what BMW will never have.

            BMW and extremely luxurious in the same sentence is extremely amusing. Take a Look on the internet and see how dated people think BMW interiors are. I have one and the Amber lighting from the 80s is killing me, please kid, you are not fooling anybody with that luxurious b.s. Performance wise Mercedes is killing BMW, KILLING

          • Senne says:

            I can’t believe how stupid you are. Why the heck are you claiming I said I own an F10 M5??? I never said that.

            Let me be even clearer so there is a small chance you will actually understand me. The BRAND NEW BMW M5 WHICH IS BASED ON THE G30 5 SERIES IS CODENAMED F90. THE OLD M5 WAS SIMPLY THE F10, SAME AS ALL 5 SERIES SEDANS OF THAT GEN.

            I didn’t read the other BS you wrote, I’m not interested. But I can’t believe your stupidity and I hope you will be banned from this website since apparently you are another LOST Merc fanboy who stranded on the wrong site: BMW BLOG. NOT MERCEDES BLOG. So seriously gtfo you are very annoying.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Stop typing b.s. kid! You don’t have a F90 M5, you cannot even afford my shoes. The second you tried to define what a M5 is when it is clear that I know more than you about that car.
            Keep crying for me to get ban because you cannot handle the truth. Go back to your little second hand 3 series! Kids like you is the reason why people are moving away from the brand, all I said was the E63s and pretty much every Mercedes is making their BMW counterparts look weak. I’m a car enthusiast, you are the fanboy that cannot handle the truth

          • Senne says:

            You should check yourself into an insane asylum. You’re constantly putting words in my mouth. When the f*ck did I claim I own an F90 M5 or an F10 M5?! You know shit about BMW, KID. Crazy fanboys like you are what dilutes a brand. If you’re not an ignorant fanboy, then I’m a king. You’re one of the most ignorant people I’ve come across on this website (and that says something). Why not discuss our opninions in a normal way, huh, KID??? You sound like a buthurt 12 year old. Gtfo.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Lol, you don’t own crap. I’m a fanboy of what? Only crap I’ve heard from you is ho w great BMW is and what they own. All I have said is that the E63s rape the best from BMW and just that got you fanboys excited like what I’m saying is not true. I own 6 different brand of cars including a BMW, you don’t own crap and you are the reason why people are making fun of BMW in the streets. Young ignorant little punk like you can’t even afford my shoes.
            You act so much like a little fanboy, asked to have a discussion in a normal way, yet I’m the only one bringing to the table the original subject . All I received from you fanboys are insults and asking for me to be banned because I said Mercedes is making better cars than BMW. Wake up kid!

          • Senne says:

            I feel pitty for the people having to deal with you in real life… You’re pathetic. You don’t know shit about me. Also you are on the wrong website if you’re just here to talk bs about BMW. Don’t you have anything better to do? Again, pathetic.

          • kenny sauray says:

            You feel pitty for me? Lol. Thanks. But it seems like I’m the only civilized being here. All I here from you fanbiys arw insults, nothing substantial about the main subject.

            Oh I’m on the wrong website because what I’m saying doesn’t align with your fanboy ‘s beliefs? Don’t think so, you are in the wrong place because you don’t understand that you are in a public forum and people don’t have to agree with your views. Stop acting like a fanboy and be a man!
            In my opinion Mercedes is better because it has cars BMW cannot touch in luxury or performance. Your turn! Try to come up with something!

          • Senne says:

            I was trying to reason with you but the only thing you did was putting words in my mouth, then you said the new M5 isn’t called F90, you even corrected me when I told you so.

            You kept going on and on about other things which are not on point.

            I have no problem with people having a different opinion. I even told you that Mercedes makes great cars as well, I said everything with respect.

            You on the other hand were claiming bs and talking shit about BMW not based on anything. If you think Merc has better cars than BMW, fine. But claiming their entire line-up can’t match Merc is simply ridiculous. You love referring to the masses’ opinion? Then watch some reviews. Often times the reviewers literally say that the choice between them is a matter of which brand you prefer. They’re both extremely good in different ways.

            BMW and Mercedes themselves respect each other and see each other as main rivals. Then why do Merc fanboys always have to throw insults?? I started nice but you’ve proven impossible to have a NORMAL conversation with so yeah I lowered my level to your kind of language.

            You’re not on the wrong website because you have a differeny opinion. You’re on the wrong website because all you do is bash on BMW, talk shit and working on our nerves with your ignorance.

            Mercedes is great in its own way. BMW is great in its own way. PERIOD. Both have their strengths. If you say that BMW is no match then you’re a childish fanboy (which you’ve already proven you are).

          • kenny sauray says:

            Trying to reason with me when all you tried was insults?
            Perhaps you did not take your time to read my comment, because there is no way you are going to tell me that I was unaware that the new M5 code name is F90. Here is my original statement.
            “I was referring to your M5, which is not a F90. BMW has always been more fun and nimble? LMAO, have you seen the reviews lately? This E63s as a big 2 tons executive sedan beat the most nimble car BMW have, the last generation M5 F10 got spanked in 90% of the reviews by the W212 E63s”

            I’m no fanboy, but if I had to choose, Mercedes and Porsche would be my top 2 simply because they have more exciting things for us car enthusiasts to be excited about. Until BMW can achieve what those 2 have done i don’t want to hear anything from you fanboys.

          • Senne says:

            Firstly: I didn’t start our discussion/conversation with insults. In your quote you said: “I was referring to YOUR M5, which is NOT an F90.” This was only one of the things that triggered me, because for one I never claimed I own any M5, I never talked about that. I only talked about why the M5 is a perfect match for the E63. I literally said that choosing between them is a matter of preference, simply because they’re both amazing vehicles with their own strengths. I talked about the M xDrive being one of the reasons why they’re closer than ever, because now the M5 is just as daily drivable in any weather conditions as the E63. You should know that the F90 M5 is the FIRST ever BMW M Car that is not an SUV to have xDrive and that this particular xDrive has been tuned by BMW M to be sportier etc. which makes it even better. This is why I said that the NEW M5 is in fact called F90, because if you read your comment again, it seems like you don’t know that. I was clearly talking about the F90, but you wrote “I was referring to your M5, which is not an F90.”

            If you prefer Mercedes and Porsche over BMW, because BMW doesn’t have certain vehicles, fine. But don’t bash all over them claiming they don’t have cars that compete with Mercedes, whereas they’re extremely close in all reviews, and the reviewers themselves often admit they chose one over the other because they prefer that specific brand.

            As for the new M5 being called “F90”, I do believe you did know it, but I think you misunderstood my comments and that’s where that went wrong…. So let’s say that’s simply a misunderstanding.

          • kenny sauray says:

            By me saying your M5 is not the F90, means that the F90 M5 I is not out yet, so if you have a M5 it maybe a F10 because you day say you own a M5 at the beginning. Anyway, none of this matter, this E63s is a true beast and I’m loving it. I may go after it instead of paying $45k cash for the CL63 i want.

          • Senne says:

            It doesn’t matter indeed. I’m glad you love the E63s, I also think it’s a great car. I love the F90 M5 because of how they implemented the M xDrive to improve traction and everyday drive ability but it can be a drifting beast with the push of a button.

            I never ever said I own any M5. That must be a misunderstanding, once again.

            I wish you the best with your vehicles and I hope you can get the E63s and enjoy it everyday. Glad we could finally come to a normal conversation between car enthusiasts.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Here are a list of cars that are either better or match by Mercedes. Agree or disagree?

            A45=M2
            C63s=M4
            CLS63Current M5 F10
            S63>M760li
            AMG GT R > M4 GTS
            GLE63s=X6M
            cars BMW cannot touch because it doesn’t or never had direct competitors for them.
            G63 6X6
            SL65
            SLS
            SLR
            CLK GTR
            S650
            Project one hypercar

            The other one is Porsche. My personal opinion is any Porsche regardless of the model is better than any BMW

          • Senne says:

            Now we’re talking. That’s a comment I like to reply to, “Agree or disagree”, this is the kind of comment that makes sense and wouldn’t annoy the crap out of any of us.

            My opinion:
            M2>A45, because the M2 is RWD and a Coupe. The A45 is AWD and a hatch. In fact the M2 is the one car Mercedes doesn’t really have a direct competitor for. The CLA comes closest, but again has AWD. The M2 is an extremely fun car. I haven’t watched any video where someone wouldn’t agree with that.
            C63s=M4, I agree. However I think this time I would have to lean towards Mercedes as for the standard M4 (yeah, that’s how neutral I am!). However the M4 CS is a beast and is definitely at least equally as good as the C63s.
            CLS63Current M5 F10, agreed.
            M760Li=S63, they’re different. In a straight line I believe the S63 might be a little faster, but I would take the M760Li any day of the week. That V12 is a beauty.
            AMG GT R ? M4 GTS, I don’t think they’re really in the same league as the M4, even the GTS is based on a everyday 4 Series. It’s a raw beast, but still. Whereas the AMG GT R is a sports car built from the ground up. So this should maybe be in the list of cars BMW doesn’t have a direct competitor for.
            X6M > GLE63s, firstly it is my opinion that the X6 looks a lot better than the GLE Coupe. That aside I believe the X6M is faster around the track. The GLE63s sounds bonkers though. So it might be “=”, because this would be a matter of preference imo.
            No direct competitors:
            – Any G Class, yeah BMW doesn’t have anything to compete. But they don’t need to.
            – SL65 I believe competes with the 6 Series, which isn’t in production anymore. Then again both cars are in a segment on its own. Both very different.
            – SLS: yeah BMW doesn’t have a car to compete directly. Amazing vehicle, very beautiful, very raw.
            – SLR: same story, however this is a direct cooperation with McLaren, so you could say the McLaren F1 is similar in a way and between the 2, the McLaren F1 takes the win all the way. Yes it doesn’t wear a BMW badge, but the engine is one of the best ever made and it DOES in fact have a BMW M badge on it.
            – CLK competes with Z4. Don’t know about the GTR version of that. I guess BMW only had a Z4M so there’s that.
            – S650: don’t really get why BMW couldn’t compete with that. They have the M760Li, don’t they? Yes, the S650 might be even more luxurious, but they are in the same league. As for the S Class Coupe, BMW will have the 8 Series Coupe, Convertible (I guess) and Gran Coupe coming in 2018 and 2019. That car will be a masterpiece and the perfect BMW alternative to the S Class Coupe.
            – Project One: I respect Mercedes for doing that. However BMW doesn’t have to create a vehicle like that to prove themselves. They are focusing on future mobility, which is very expensive and more important to have a sustainable brand in the future.
            Now as for cars BMW has that Merc doesn’t have anything to compete with:
            – BMW i8
            – BMW i3
            – The technology that they are implementing from those vehicles in the entire range. Mercedes simply doesn’t come close to that. Which might be less exciting than a hypercar. But it is very important indeed.

            If you prefer any Porsche over any BMW it competes with, then I guess it’s for the driving dynamics and I can agree with that. However then any Porsche is also better than any Mercedes it competes with. Porsche is a totally different car manufacturer, their focus and volume is very different so it makes sense that they’re better drivers cars. They should be.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Hahaha, it’s funny how every car I gave you that BMW cannot compete with even some of them that do compete with BMW, you go like “BMW doesn’t have to compete with that lol, classic.

            AMG GTR is just better than the same track oriented M4 GTS, there is no doubt about it. Chris Harris have a review on YouTube for you.

            MERCEDES CLK GT R is a masterpiece. BMW doesn’t have any car to compete with that. Never have, never will.

            Pagani Zonda have a Mercedes V12, but it is not a Mercedes car, I’m not a fanboy to claim it as one of Mercedes cars.

            Any S-class is untouchable, no matter the version, although the W222 has been out since late 2012, nobody can touch it in any shape or form, it has been the benchmark of that segment and it won’t stop anytime soon.

            i8, i3 are jokes, hybrid technology existed way before those 2 and nobody is following their footsteps, Tesla is the way to go and Mercedes is making them its target, not BMW.

            I do prefer Porsche for dynamic, but Mercedes AMG GT R and GT S are second best in that category since they have been going after Porsche and proven to be a serious and fierce competitor like Porsche themselves have admitted they never encountered before.

            Here are some stories I ran into this week that might affect all of us

            https://jalopnik.com/bmw-recalls-1-4-million-vehicles-in-the-u-s-over-risk-1820124021

            https://youtu.be/Us56c7yQAYY

          • Senne says:

            “Hahaha, it’s funny how every car I gave you that BMW cannot compete with even some of them that do compete with BMW, you go like “BMW doesn’t have to compete with that lol, classic.” Uhm, no. I did not. If you read my comments, I said that either the BMW and Mercedes were equally as good, or the BMW better. Or in some cases yeah BMW doesn’t have a direct competitor. Which is fine. Mercedes laughed at BMW when they introduced the X6. Now look. They had to make a worse version of it (just my opinion, of course).

            Like I said, the GTR is from the ground up developed to be a sports car. That sports car they turned into a race car for the road. BMW took a regular 4 Series and turned it into a race car for the road. Is the GTR better? Yeah, sure. The M4 GTS is still an amazing vehicle with some great technology.

            Pagani has Mercedes engines, just like the McLaren F1 used a BMW engine. I’m not claiming that it is a BMW because of that. I just said that it is comparable to the cooperation between McLaren and Mercedes when they introduced the SLR. That car also had McLaren badges.

            The S Class and 7 Series have become incredibly close. The S Class might still be a little more luxurious (hardly) and sell more (which it clearly does, but that’s because of the image of the S Class), but that makes sense since BMW used to be about pure driving dynamics, even in a limousine. Like I said I’d take any 7 Series over any S Class any day of the week. The interior of both cars are sublime (fact, since they both use the best materials). I just don’t like the design of the S Class’ interior. I like the driver focused interior in the 7 Series way more. Also the infotainment system is still the best – and that’s a fact, look at any review. So again: matter of preference, both VERY close. The S Class is still king in that segment, mostly because of how biased they are.

            As for the i3 and i8 you are completely WRONG. They were the most expensive cars BMW has ever developed. They were and I think still are the first cars with a Carbon Fibre Core to be mass developed. Before that only low volume cars were built with extensive use of carbon fibre. It’s not about the hybrid technology, of course. It’s about everything around it. The fact that now the technology has found its way into the 3 Series and soon every single model BMW has. This is a segment Mercedes doesn’t even come close to, and believe me, they wish they did. For now hybrid technology is the best way to reduce the average pollution of a brand. Why do you think hypercars are using it? More power and torque in combination with less fuel consumption. Also there are videos showing the i8 to be quicker off the line than Godzilla. Which is insane considering it only has 362 HP and a 3-cylinder engine… The i3 is a very different looking car, one that you either like or you don’t, but there was hardly any competition when BMW introduced it. Now is a different story, of course. Oh and Tesla is the most polluting brand in the world, so there’s that…

            As of a BMW catching fire, I could show you videos about Mercs catching fire as well. No problem. So please, can we stop this bs. You like Mercedes, I like BMW. They’re both great. They both have strengths and weaknesses. Period.

          • kenny sauray says:

            AMG GT R trash any BMW period, end of that story.

            SLR is a Mercedes, the F1 is not a BMW, period.

            The S-class has always been better than the 7 series in every way, I had both cars there’s no bias in that segment. King of that department period.

            Yes the i8 and i3 were money well wasted, neither one is successful and neither were groundbreaking. Carbon core for the masses is not groundbreaking, they are not even any lighter or more efficiency than the average hybrid on the market. i8 is not even faster than a stupid M3, think about that for a second, a 7 series is faster than a M3, lol, so sad.

            BMW is burning people’s house while they sleeping, this was not to like fun at BMW, this is an new recall that was just issued, I knew about this issue years ago, networks just start covering it.

            https://jalopnik.com/bmw-recalls-1-4-million-vehicles-in-the-u-s-over-risk-1820124021

            New media cover it too, I’m not talking about random videos of cars on fire

            https://youtu.be/Us56c7yQAYY

          • Senne says:

            Both the i8 and i3 sold way more than BMW anticipated. So they ARE a success. The carbon core for sure is groundbraking. Carbonfiber is both stronger and lighter than aluminium, that’s a fact. Yet you claim it’s not lighter? Seriously…

            An M760Li xDrive is faster in a STRAIGHT LINE than a BMW M3, it’s also faster than a C63s for that matter. Of course it is, it has a massive 6.6 V12 with 608 HP! Around the track the M3 is way faster obviously. You call the M3 “stupid” yet it has been the benchmark for over 40 years. This gen M3 is the first gen that has some real competition. Most reviewers still look at it as the benchmark. The one to beat.

          • kenny sauray says:

            My main concern are those fires, my 5 series will be park in the street, sway from my house. Got to get rid of that car soon too

            Nope the i8 and i3 are failures as far as what they wanted to achieve. I never said carbon fiber was not lighter, I said the i8 and i3 were not the lightest hybrid on the market regardless that carbon plastic crap, big difference. Money wasted, end of story, same for the M760li.

            Yes I know the M760li is the fastest BMW and that is pretty sad, very sad indeed. M3 cannot be the one to beat when pretty much everything has beaten it, just because reviewers say it is doesn’t mean it is true. M cars have been getting rape for a while now, you should know that. Hence why you have BMW come up with a special model every other month, lol just to stay relevant.

          • kenny sauray says:

            If you are a car enthusiast you should know these stuff. The news is spreading like wild fire

            http://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/story?id=50922136

  2. Donald Dong says:

    As dynamic and sporty as BMW will like, once its in the wet, 4 wheel drives are the way to go, BMW should just include X drives options to all their models, they sure can make it even better, since their new M5 comes with the very capable x drives setup, and can be turned off too. They don’t need to keep telling us that rear wheel set up can handle up to 560lb/ft of torque, because we don’t care, it doesn’t have to breach that limit in order to have the X drives install.

  3. Autoexpert says:

    Sure. What else did you expect? Mercedes-Benz: the best or nothing! Any AMG will eat for breakfast any comparable M (though to me it’s ridiculous to say that M can be close to AMG to be comparable).

    • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

      Again, ironic, since Mercedes had to to buy AMG to compete with M. You realize you’re citing ad. copy? As ridiculous as gauging every BMW by whether they’re The Ultimate Driving Machine – decades old ad. copy! Now I understand the Mercedes allegiance. You both need to read more, type less. If you can.

  4. kenny sauray says:

    MERCEDES-AMG 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 F1 champion. Lewis Hamilton 4th world championship. 😭😭😭😭😭✌

    • Donald Dong says:

      Are you getting high in bed, please don’t say Y E S

      • kenny sauray says:

        I don’t smoke or drink. We hit the wineries once in a while though. Getting high in the E63s beating the shit out of the best BMW have to offer, lol

        • Donald Dong says:

          Enjoy the wine, and make sure you have ten fingers on the wheel. Wear the helmet, and don’t go too wild, and hope the bag fits your head

  5. kenny sauray says:

    Seeing the garbage of how some BMW fanboys act when their brand loses a little competition, I have decided to go full throttle on Mercedes, they have more to offer and keep building on their legendary history. Congrats Mercedes for stick it to them!
    MERCEDES-AMG 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 F1 champion. Lewis Hamilton 4th world championship.

    • Donald Dong says:

      Well done, for BMW for not being a follower , there is no purpose in spending a fortune on a sport in which majority of the tech has already been brought down to their commercial product lines. Low boost turbos, BMW have them already, water cooled turbos on the M’s, they have them, variable valve timing, everyone has. Even hybrids, BMW has in their product lines already. Tiny ICE engine with a battery, the i8 has them also,, so whats the point. Even hydrogen, BMW has them almost out the door, F1 needs to serve a purpose for the company, in showcasing their tech, whats the point of winning F1 todays, when the world is heading away further from ICE. BMW did the right thing, in choosing not to waste money.

      • kenny sauray says:

        F1 technology is the reason why Mercedes is ripping the M division apart, their experience on how to make their cars more dynamic and efficient is all being the part of the F1 experience. Their next generation of cars which will carry the EQ technology , yes Electric cars that generate and recover power pretty much the same way a F1 car does, but 4 times faster. Please don’t try to tell me why BMW is not part of F1, the Mercedes brand also get a boost due to its participation in F1.

        Think about this! You have a 1 litre project one that will be insane, you have a 2 litre 4 cylinder A45 that is capable of running with BMW 3-4.4 litre, you have a 4.0 litre AMG GT R that would rape anything BMW, you have a 4.0 S63 that rape the 6.6 litre M760li. Now with MB adding its F1 technologies to those power plants, what do you think will happen?

        • Donald Dong says:

          Mr. Mer-gasm

          F1 is not very important here, it really doesn’t have too much of the effect of the end products down the road today. ERS is not such a big deal, getting ready to post ICE era is the most important now, you don’t need F1 to get there. Better engineering material, better way to use alternative propulsion technology. At the same time, continue to make the best use of ICE by lowering displacement. Even Mercedes knows that they have to do to get there, regardless of whether they have to participate from F1.

          F1 makes more sense in the 80s and 90s, active suspension, semi auto gearbox, traction control, and enormous horsepower out of tiny displacement with or without turbos, along with carbon fibre composites.

          As for your raxing statement, first, a car is not a chick, so, you can’t put yours in the AMG exhaust and get that arouxing feeling, and I do certainly hope that you see a doctor, before cops padlocks your waterpipe.

          As for your statement of high horsepower per litre, I haven’t seen too much of a difference anyway, BMW, and many others knows how to do that very well already, its not because of F1 and Mercedes, its because, they have always been doing that. You don’t remember the Honda NSX.

          The 3 Litre and 4 Litre Merc couldn’t really do that much to the BMW lineup, unless you are comparing apples vs oranges like using standard AMG engine vs a non M spec. The Merc doesn’t scare anyone, not even with AMG trim, they are nice, thats it, nothing special, also please don’t make comparison to M760iL, that engine is not a BMW M, BMW never made the M7, because there is no point, the Motorsport division engages only on the handling aspect of the car, and BMW doesn’t need to set record on it, and its already fast enough. If they choose to do so, there will be way over 800 horses,

          So after reading everything you put down based on Mercedes F1, I can only say, you have an addiction problem, F1 doesn’t need to be in this picture, if its so relevant, BMW will only start doing the i now, BMW has already done way more than that, so please keep your F1 addiction in check, because I don’t want to see your pipe ending up in an AMG exhaust, it will be such a painful experience.

          • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

            He has worked himself up into a delusional frenzy, like Hamilton thinking he’s a rapper as he drives into Monte Carlo parked cars. So he’s perfect for Mercedes! Too bad not what the site is about…

      • disqus_d4cEcykOJC says:

        He comes here because he can’t read that it’s BMWblog, now to claim victory in a series BMW don’t compete in. Meanwhile, Mercedes have no competition for i3, i8, and have to buy a British co. to produce their vapor/hypercar. So long for his rubbish is polite!

    • Guest says:

      Sorry, Mercedes AMG makes outstanding overall automobiles as far as luxury + performance. However, after owning two different S55 AMGs, one of them naturally aspirated, the other with a supercharged Kompressor, with less than 20,000 miles each and they continuously lost power and broke down in the middle of the road for an electronic problem, there is no way I can justify purchasing another one. Reliability is a big deal and those are not reliable. We thought it was a fluke with the first one so we upgraded to the newer model. Nope, same thing. Imagine breaking down in one of those in a bad part of town…unacceptable.

      • kenny sauray says:

        Then he realizes, oh crap, but I’m in the shop every other week in my little BMW=Break My Wallet. I just check the reliability stats on the cars you mentioned, they are on top of the chart, maybe that is one reason why people love them.

        • Guest says:

          Reliability stats vs real life is the kicker here. In my personal case it was 100%, 2 for 2. That’s a shame too. The 2004 S55 AMG was such a blast to drive.
          BTW, I never mentioned I was a BMW owner. But now that you bring it up, I’ve owned 4 that have never kept me in the shop that I drove for many miles.
          Another BTW, seeing as you’re referring to me when you say “he”, it’s actually “she”. And my Bimmer isn’t little. ;-)

          • kenny sauray says:

            Lol, those Benzes have bulletproof reliability, only thing that goes wrong with S-class is the air suspension you have to change after 100k miles, how do I know, I own a 2006 and worked on Benz and BMW for 23 Years. Before throwing bullshit out there, the statistics speak for themselves and they are way more older Mercedes models in the streets than BMW. I don’t think you should go around telling people that story because everybody know BMW as Burn My Wallet, meaning that your mechanic is your best friend. Go to consumer affairs complaints then find out what real owners have to say

          • Guest says:

            That’s not “throwing bullshit”, I’m pointing out exact real life events that occurred. So instead of accepting the facts that are out there, you are trying to turn a blind eye or bury your head in the sand. I began this conversation by simply pointing out a fact – that although these are fantastic cars, unfortunately we have had horrible luck with them and can’t justify purchasing another one out of personal experience. It’s quite hilarious how defensive and combative you are behind a keyboard over simple real life examples. And “bulletproof reliability” doesn’t put you stranded in the middle of the road waiting on a tow truck to get you out of oncoming traffic. Put yourself in someone else’s shoes. Could you blame them if they had a bad experience twice in a row if they don’t want to get burned a third time? Especially when you’re paying six figures. That example applies to anything in life. I respect the fact everyone has their own opinions and likes and dislikes and everyone has their own personal experiences which lead them to buy whatever the heck car they like.

          • kenny sauray says:

            I think you missed the part where I said I worked on these cars for 23 Years, that trumped any experience you have with these cars, to further my point, I gave you facts and where to verify them. Why would I be defensive? Facts are facts and Mercedes is known worldwide for their reliability, I didn’t say that didn’t happen to you, but it does sound like a bullshit story. The fact that you said you had trouble with a car that got you stranded on the side of a highway then went and purchased another one says it all.

            You don’t need to try to troll me, I have had way more BMW owners crying for my services than Mercedes, Audi and Porsche combined. The fact that I own both brand and work on them for 23 years and the fact that any car can drop you on the side of the road , specially if they are not well kept. All I’m saying is that the stats disagree with you and people here know the W220 S-class outlasted outclassed its 7 series counterpart by a mile, hence why you barely see any old 7 series on the streets and you seeing the S-class every where, that’s where reliability shines, not by personal opinion, to all due respect I don’t know how you treated your car, I can only go by real world experience and statistics

          • Guest says:

            I think you missed the part where I said to each their own. You also missed the part where I said we thought it was a fluke so that’s why a second one was purchased. Especially since the newer model had a different engine than the previous model. Stats doesn’t mean my story is made up which is what you’re insinuating. You’re simply throwing a fit because someone mentioned something that you didn’t want to hear. And clearly the only one trolling here is you. I think you have 120 of the over 140 comments on here. You’re picking a fight with me for no reason which is even more hilarious. I’m not even arguing for BMW here yet here you go babbling away. But I’m glad you threw in the “respect” at the end after directing curse words at me on this thread. Haha! And I totally agree with you. I can only go by real world experience… Which is, bottom line, my point and the whole kicker to this story, why I cannot purchase another Mercedes AMG, despite the outstanding automobiles they are.

          • kenny sauray says:

            Facts are facts we are not going to go to that bullshit story, and definitely not a to each their own kind story. Your story have way too many holes and nobody is that stupid to throw away a $100k and call it a fluke. I’m not going to waste anymore of my time, you can go troll somebody else who have no clue about about these cars, I consider myself an expert and we all know how reliable they are. Period

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