i dunno where you got that quote from but i couldn’t find it on this page…. and you seem to contradict yourself, if i’m understanding correctly… you said a BMW fan said that he/she HOPES the new S4 outperforms the 335i?? i don’t think a BMW fan would really hope for that, unless you’ve taken that out of context. and ur next point about how a BMW will come out and will be 3 years newer than an Audi and Audi fans will complain….. what point are you trying to make??

yes this new S4 is fantastic and yes it does a lot of things well, and I’d prob take the Bang & Olufsen over BMW’s system, and yes it has dual clutch…. however, you’re missing the critical points about the S4 that Car and Driver noticed that made them choose the 335i over the S4.

this is a little side point as it deals with tuning…. you could tune that 335i so easily it would SPANK a tuned S4 so hard it’d make it blush!.. now that’s getting a little kinky, but i bet you can guess who wears the pants in that relationship! ;)

last point hunny buns… it’s not good to lie! well i should accuse you of lying, however, after looking into some current JDPower results, you’re actually quite mistaken and it’s quite the opposite!

here for example is a list of cars in each segment, and their runner-ups, for Vehicle Dependability… it shows absolutely no Audi 1st place or runner-ups… BMW has 2 runner-ups.
http://www.fadaweb.com/jd_powerstudyshows.htm

looking at specific ratings from JD for the 2010 3 series vs 2010 A4/S4 you’ll find that Audi is down 0.5 in initial quality and up 0.5 in performance and design… i’ll call that a tie (although i’d say the only reason the audi got half a point for design was for those fancy smancy LED lights :P but now im just being biased!). looking at the 2010 X5 vs 2010 Q7, the Audi is down 0.5 in initial quality, 0.5 in predicted reliability and down a full point in performance and design…. a clear win for BMW.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/

where did you get your JD Power data from?!… Audi fan sites don’t count hehe

Stop saying ” The 335i is there since 2006 while the S4 just came out I wish it outperforms the older bmw !! ” you know what ? By the time BMW release a new 3 series, the A4 will be there for 3 years or so, so audi fans will say that the Audi model is already 3 years old…

The truth of the matter is that Audi are ahead of BMW and Mercedes everywhere in europe, and that Audi has been selling more cars years after years since 2000.

The Audi S4 cost more than the 335xi ? No. They are at the same price both base model. The fully equipt S4 may cost more, yet it has a dual clutch 7 speed transmission, while the 335i have a shitty conventional 6 speed automatic transmission. Also, in the Audi, you get a sports rear differential with all the settings for the steering, engine, differential and suspension (comfort,automatic,dynamic), you get a killer Bang & Olufsen audio system which is by the way better than the premium bmw audio system.

If you go on JDPower website, you’ll see that Audi’s reliability is going up and is BETTER than Bmw, so nobody here can say that Audis are shitty because of old Audi models.

The 2010 S4 is a bit faster, handles better, brakes from 60 to 0 in less feets, gets a better interior with more equipment than the 2010 335i and has the best sporty and efficient AWD system on the market today in these prices. I’m not saying that BMW or the 335i is shit, but you should all recognize that the S4 is certainly better than the 335i and that Audis are making cars that does kills the competition including BMW cars.

The only time that I can remember Audi outselling BMW was last year when the new A4 outsold the 3 series in one month in Germany. It was so unusual that it made headlines.

That’s is a *great* link there, I’ve never seen it so well illustrated. Yeah the N55 has one 2-scroll turbo.

A larger turbo would take longer to spool, but… if you’re giving it twice the exhaust, what would the difference be? I read something about the twin-scrolls putting less stress on the actual turbine/shaft assembly, so maybe the structure can be lighter?

@wazon: see wikipedia, “bmw engines”. I think currently they’re all 3.0L, they just have 1, 2 and 3 stage intakes, respectively (325, 328, 330), tuning for more power bumps higher up.

But still it’s easy to notice Audi’s weakness when compared with BMW. Just take brand new A4 B8, which aim against few years old 3-er.
If you compared European most versions of Audi A4 B8 and 3-er, you would notice from statistics only that, despite age difference, BMW’s cars are still better. 318i is overall better than A4 1.8TFSI (120hp), 330i is overall better than A4 3.2 FSI, 318d better than A4 2.0TDi (143hp), 320d better than A4 2.0TDi (170hp) (actually, performance of 320d is equal with performance of A4 2.7TDi), 330d is at the similar level as A4 3.0 TDi and 335d is out of Audi’s range.
Only brand new S4 means something, but it didn’t reach such advantage over 335i as one might expect. Even if it’s better, there is really small difference in performance, actually Audi had two years on disigning better car and all they did is making barely better car that could be easly overcome by introducing performace package by BMW, which would have a lot of sense since Audi priced S4 higher than 335i!!!

I invite you to consider fallowing counterfactual situation: Suppose that BMW delivered brand new 335i which is barely better than S4 B8 after two years of working on it. What would people say about such 335i? That it’s great product? Or that it’s disapponted because it won’t count at all against future competitors that it will have to face? I guess that people would be disappointed by such BMW, just because it would be great only for a while and was made to beat car that would be replace in two years and which succesor will beat our counterfactual 335i hardly. It wouldn’t be as actual 335i e90 that despite age still counts in competition and can be easly improved to be better than its rivals! It would be as unconving as actually S4 B8 is. Why then should we be impressed by Audi’s developement when we think about S4? I see tension in assessing both groups.

Pro-Audi fever in competition with BMW comes mainly from their making RS6, which turned out to provide better performance than M5 E60. Of course, it shouldn’t surprise anybody, since RS6 C6 “defeated” much older car which was ruling in sport saloon segment enough long, but it makes Audi’s fans really proud and they announed that Audi is better than BMW. Will they say the same in 2011 when M5 F10 appear? I guess not.