Comments on: New details on the next generation 2012 BMW 3 Series http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/ BMW News, Reviews, Test Drives, Photos And Videos Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:27:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: enri http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-157861 enri Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:27:02 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-157861 very gud wouu very gud wouu

]]> By: L1ndja http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-142485 L1ndja Sun, 09 Aug 2009 18:47:55 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-142485 Love it.Makes the current one look 10years outdated. Love it.Makes the current one look 10years outdated.

]]> By: LBoogy http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-142117 LBoogy Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:37:13 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-142117 The car is magnificent, just love it! The car is magnificent, just love it!

]]> By: wazon http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-142099 wazon Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:38:28 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-142099 Vitric, you talk as if BMW will resign from producing V8, inline six and similar. I assure you that they will provide such cars despite eco-fever. But this cars are adressed to a little bit wealthy customers. In my country basic 335i costs 70000$, 335d - 74500$, M3 - 111000$. And they will get only more expensive in Europe when new emission tax gonna obtain (43$ for each 1g of each carbon dioxide above 125g/km or so). Will they find buyer? Sure, after all their price will grow up from few hundreds to few thousands $ which acceptable for most of buyers of six, eight, ten cylinders cars in Europe. But still, these cars are out of range for many potential customers. If BMW wants to find customers between them, it will have to provide cheaper cars with smaller engines. For such people, 316i and 318i was created years ago and they had pretty good selling in Europe. Both cars don't provide too much fun from drive, but who does expect much fun from pretty heavy car with small engine? Working on smaller engines is needed, since BMW's rivals are planning to produce cars with smaller engines. If BMW slept this, result could be tragic. Mercedes' and Audi's incomes would higher and higher and competition with them would getting harder and harder for BMW. All ideas with 3 cylinders, I-setta are aimed earn more money which allow on developing BMW group by embracing new parts of market and selling more cars. You appreciate 335d, I had had this car for two years and all I can say about it is that it's indeed counterexample to your point that fun and efficiency don't go on a par. This car offers to you ability of driving economically and of pushing it, if you need driving experienced. You will be surprised how low its fuel consumption is. I think that it's of Audi's or MB's 2.5 litre diesel or even lower. Vitric, you talk as if BMW will resign from producing V8, inline six and similar. I assure you that they will provide such cars despite eco-fever. But this cars are adressed to a little bit wealthy customers. In my country basic 335i costs 70000$, 335d – 74500$, M3 – 111000$. And they will get only more expensive in Europe when new emission tax gonna obtain (43$ for each 1g of each carbon dioxide above 125g/km or so). Will they find buyer? Sure, after all their price will grow up from few hundreds to few thousands $ which acceptable for most of buyers of six, eight, ten cylinders cars in Europe. But still, these cars are out of range for many potential customers. If BMW wants to find customers between them, it will have to provide cheaper cars with smaller engines. For such people, 316i and 318i was created years ago and they had pretty good selling in Europe. Both cars don’t provide too much fun from drive, but who does expect much fun from pretty heavy car with small engine? Working on smaller engines is needed, since BMW’s rivals are planning to produce cars with smaller engines. If BMW slept this, result could be tragic. Mercedes’ and Audi’s incomes would higher and higher and competition with them would getting harder and harder for BMW. All ideas with 3 cylinders, I-setta are aimed earn more money which allow on developing BMW group by embracing new parts of market and selling more cars.

You appreciate 335d, I had had this car for two years and all I can say about it is that it’s indeed counterexample to your point that fun and efficiency don’t go on a par. This car offers to you ability of driving economically and of pushing it, if you need driving experienced. You will be surprised how low its fuel consumption is. I think that it’s of Audi’s or MB’s 2.5 litre diesel or even lower.

]]> By: Horatiu B. http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141817 Horatiu B. Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:59:33 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141817 Okay guys, let's focus on the topic...we try not to moderate anything, but still.... Okay guys, let’s focus on the topic…we try not to moderate anything, but still….

]]> By: Doug http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141816 Doug Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:54:50 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141816 There you go again. Fuck your fucking goddamn profane diatribe! I'm glad you're expressing yourself, but you must realize that the conversation is moving on without you. There you go again. Fuck your fucking goddamn profane diatribe!

I’m glad you’re expressing yourself, but you must realize that the conversation is moving on without you.

]]> By: Doug http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141815 Doug Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:51:56 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141815 Looks far too much like the previous acura TL. To me it seems overly safe and lacking in character. Looks far too much like the previous acura TL. To me it seems overly safe and lacking in character.

]]> By: Samir http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141811 Samir Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:45:39 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141811 Looks like a 4 door 6 series. I think it looks good. Looks like a 4 door 6 series. I think it looks good.

]]> By: marc http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141785 marc Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:19:20 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141785 Auto/ Stilista contro Bmw, Pm Roma delega indagini a Gdf Investigatori delle Fiamme gialle ricostruiscono vicenda Fonte: APCOM del 05/08/2009 La Procura di Roma ha delegato alla Guardia di finanza accertamenti rispetto all'indagine nata dalla denuncia contro la Bmw, presentata da uno stilista secondo il quale la casa automobilistica teutonica avrebbe copiato l'idea del rivestimento in stoffa della carrozzeria. Quel progetto è stato per attuato in una concept car, la Gina, acronimo di 'Geometry and functions in 'n' adaptions, presentata in alcune rassegne di auto di lusso e per molto tempo ospitata nello stesso museo della Bmw, a Monaco. Secondo quanto si è appreso il pm Marcello Monteleone, dopo aver ricevuto una consulenza tecnica di parte, ha deciso di vederci chiaro ed ha dato disposizione agli investigatori della Gdf, prima di sentire lo stesso stilista, Giuseppe Bianco, e poi di ascoltare tutta un'altra serie di testi che erano stati indicati nell'esposto che era stato depositato nei mesi scorsi a piazzale Clodio dal difensore del piccolo imprenditore, l'avvocato Carlo Cirillo. Nella denuncia si spiega che Bianco, nel 2005, ha ideato un esclusivo procedimento con il quale si poteva applicare qualsiasi rivestimento, dalla pelle, alla stoffa, ai materiali più tecnici, sulla carrozzeria esterna di auto e motoveicoli "rendendo i rivestimenti stessi impermeabili e resistenti agli agenti atmosferici". Dopo la registazione del brevetto, l'esposizione al Motorshow di Bologna nel 2006, un servizio televisivo del Tg5, Bianco era tranquillo, sicuro di aver inventato qualcosa d'innovativo. Ma ecco che in pieno 2008 lo stilista scopre che la Bmw ha presentato la Gina. E allora ricorda la visita, nello stand che aveva a Bologna, di un manager della casa tedesca che si disse molto interessato alla sua scoperta. Nella consulenza svolta dal perito Corrado Cesaroni, si legge: "Il modello Bmw non ha capacità distintiva rispetto ai prodotti che incorporano il disegno o modello registrato da Bianco". Auto/ Stilista contro Bmw, Pm Roma delega indagini a Gdf

Investigatori delle Fiamme gialle ricostruiscono vicenda
Fonte: APCOM del 05/08/2009

La Procura di Roma ha delegato alla Guardia di finanza accertamenti rispetto all’indagine nata dalla denuncia contro la Bmw, presentata da uno stilista secondo il quale la casa automobilistica teutonica avrebbe copiato l’idea del rivestimento in stoffa della carrozzeria. Quel progetto è stato per attuato in una concept car, la Gina, acronimo di ‘Geometry and functions in ‘n’ adaptions, presentata in alcune rassegne di auto di lusso e per molto tempo ospitata nello stesso museo della Bmw, a Monaco. Secondo quanto si è appreso il pm Marcello Monteleone, dopo aver ricevuto una consulenza tecnica di parte, ha deciso di vederci chiaro ed ha dato disposizione agli investigatori della Gdf, prima di sentire lo stesso stilista, Giuseppe Bianco, e poi di ascoltare tutta un’altra serie di testi che erano stati indicati nell’esposto che era stato depositato nei mesi scorsi a piazzale Clodio dal difensore del piccolo imprenditore, l’avvocato Carlo Cirillo. Nella denuncia si spiega che Bianco, nel 2005, ha ideato un esclusivo procedimento con il quale si poteva applicare qualsiasi rivestimento, dalla pelle, alla stoffa, ai materiali più tecnici, sulla carrozzeria esterna di auto e motoveicoli “rendendo i rivestimenti stessi impermeabili e resistenti agli agenti atmosferici”. Dopo la registazione del brevetto, l’esposizione al Motorshow di Bologna nel 2006, un servizio televisivo del Tg5, Bianco era tranquillo, sicuro di aver inventato qualcosa d’innovativo. Ma ecco che in pieno 2008 lo stilista scopre che la Bmw ha presentato la Gina. E allora ricorda la visita, nello stand che aveva a Bologna, di un manager della casa tedesca che si disse molto interessato alla sua scoperta. Nella consulenza svolta dal perito Corrado Cesaroni, si legge: “Il modello Bmw non ha capacità distintiva rispetto ai prodotti che incorporano il disegno o modello registrato da Bianco”.

]]> By: viper http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141706 viper Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:27:47 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141706 wow and that second picture is stunning.....thats the best looking bmw ever , wish they make 3er just like that one wow and that second picture is stunning…..thats the best looking bmw ever , wish they make 3er just like that one

]]> By: Teddy Khan http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141642 Teddy Khan Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:24:57 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141642 Carbon Taxes are just another thing to be traded. It's going to be the most highly traded commodity in a few yeas, and a few friends of mine from Morgan Stanley are already specializing in that. But I believe if anybody, then BMW is the company that can really strike a balance between green and sporty. I have full faith in their philosophy and the commitment to making the ultimate driving machines. As for green cars like the Prius, which jerk and drive like shit, well....thats just sad. BMW will show everyone how its done. I do hate green propaganda, and the exaggeration that is portrayed in some forms. But it's pretty self evident that we can do a better job as a society by not polluting more than we need to, and that is the only issue here. Cars back in the day, even BMW's used to have large V8 with crappy fuel efficiency and just very in inefficient ways of burning fuel overall. Today a I6 from BMW can output more power, more torque, drives better, and gives better MPG. Innovation should be embraced. Carbon Taxes are just another thing to be traded. It’s going to be the most highly traded commodity in a few yeas, and a few friends of mine from Morgan Stanley are already specializing in that. But I believe if anybody, then BMW is the company that can really strike a balance between green and sporty. I have full faith in their philosophy and the commitment to making the ultimate driving machines. As for green cars like the Prius, which jerk and drive like shit, well….thats just sad. BMW will show everyone how its done. I do hate green propaganda, and the exaggeration that is portrayed in some forms. But it’s pretty self evident that we can do a better job as a society by not polluting more than we need to, and that is the only issue here. Cars back in the day, even BMW’s used to have large V8 with crappy fuel efficiency and just very in inefficient ways of burning fuel overall. Today a I6 from BMW can output more power, more torque, drives better, and gives better MPG. Innovation should be embraced.

]]> By: Michael http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141636 Michael Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:04:26 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141636 Seriously, what is the government doing with the carbon taxes they raise? I live in a place where I now pay 12.5 cents in carbon tax alone on every liter... Given the 1547 liters of fuel I purchased last year, that's $156... Seriously, what is the government doing with the carbon taxes they raise? I live in a place where I now pay 12.5 cents in carbon tax alone on every liter… Given the 1547 liters of fuel I purchased last year, that’s $156…

]]> By: Artmic http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141606 Artmic Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:05:43 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141606 Climate fucking change my ass... Fucking idiots paying carbon taxes and the government using that money on what??? Someone fucking tell me they will clean the lakes, and plant trees with that money, otherwise we are ALL FUCKING IDIOTS for not raising our voices against this big FRAUD that they call climate change, AKA: Global Warming. Climate fucking change my ass…
Fucking idiots paying carbon taxes and the government using that money on what??? Someone fucking tell me they will clean the lakes, and plant trees with that money, otherwise we are ALL FUCKING IDIOTS for not raising our voices against this big FRAUD that they call climate change, AKA: Global Warming.

]]> By: Vitric http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141503 Vitric Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:48:37 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141503 @Michael, What happened to GM and Chrysler when they went the gas guzzling route? If I remember correctly, SUVs were all the rave near and after the turn of the century, regardless of the extra money that people paid for them. If you want it, you'll pay for it, that's simply how it is. It is good that BMW is being proactive and trying to lead into the future, but come on, how good your car is is now how green it is? How about how well it performs? Or how reliable it is? Or the quality at which it is constructed? @Lance, ED won't ruin the fun of BMW. Restrictions and guidelines, and precedents ruin all fun cars. For example FWD, ABS, TCS, drive by wire, I could go on and on listing "advancements" that to me are really nice creature comforts to have, but really just take away the amount of skill needed to drive something without these fancy gizmos. I guess I'm just old fashioned... that's all. Aside from my ranting and temper tantrums, I really love the 335d and that will most likely be my next commuter car. @Michael,
What happened to GM and Chrysler when they went the gas guzzling route? If I remember correctly, SUVs were all the rave near and after the turn of the century, regardless of the extra money that people paid for them. If you want it, you’ll pay for it, that’s simply how it is. It is good that BMW is being proactive and trying to lead into the future, but come on, how good your car is is now how green it is? How about how well it performs? Or how reliable it is? Or the quality at which it is constructed?

@Lance,
ED won’t ruin the fun of BMW. Restrictions and guidelines, and precedents ruin all fun cars. For example FWD, ABS, TCS, drive by wire, I could go on and on listing “advancements” that to me are really nice creature comforts to have, but really just take away the amount of skill needed to drive something without these fancy gizmos. I guess I’m just old fashioned… that’s all.

Aside from my ranting and temper tantrums, I really love the 335d and that will most likely be my next commuter car.

]]> By: MiguelBM http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141495 MiguelBM Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:19:07 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141495 I hope the real cae lookes like this!! I hope the real cae lookes like this!!

]]> By: Lance http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141491 Lance Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:56:03 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141491 Too bad it will not be the real thing. Expect something like the X1 at the front - YUCK. Too bad it will not be the real thing. Expect something like the X1 at the front – YUCK.

]]> By: Lance http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141489 Lance Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:55:22 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141489 I don't like the 6 Series nostrils, thy are protruding too much - outdated, should be indented to signal presence. I don’t like the 6 Series nostrils, thy are protruding too much – outdated, should be indented to signal presence.

]]> By: Lance http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141488 Lance Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:54:19 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141488 I don't see how having Efficient Dynamics would ruin the fun you wouold have with a BMW. BMW will have additional features to save fuel and be a responsble corporate citizen without giving up its core values of providing fun to drive vehicles. As for the environment, I have mentioned before that it is not a propaganda by the government. It is a serious problem and we all should take responsibility to live sustainably and stop livng like a pig. You also need to take more responsibility yourself in your unjustified outcry. If you particularly enjoy big V12 and V8's, then by all means go for it. But just to let you know that they belong to the 90's and it is going out of fashion at a rate that you won't believe. The modern society today values efficiency. If you can provide both together, great! This is what customers want and this is what companies will give. If I start a business today, a huge chunk will be on corporate sustianability and a huge chunk will be environmental preservation. I don’t see how having Efficient Dynamics would ruin the fun you wouold have with a BMW. BMW will have additional features to save fuel and be a responsble corporate citizen without giving up its core values of providing fun to drive vehicles. As for the environment, I have mentioned before that it is not a propaganda by the government. It is a serious problem and we all should take responsibility to live sustainably and stop livng like a pig. You also need to take more responsibility yourself in your unjustified outcry. If you particularly enjoy big V12 and V8′s, then by all means go for it. But just to let you know that they belong to the 90′s and it is going out of fashion at a rate that you won’t believe.

The modern society today values efficiency. If you can provide both together, great! This is what customers want and this is what companies will give. If I start a business today, a huge chunk will be on corporate sustianability and a huge chunk will be environmental preservation.

]]> By: Dennis http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141451 Dennis Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:04:11 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141451 BEAUTIFUL... absolutly BEAUTIFUL.... makes me proud to be a BMW fan... BEAUTIFUL… absolutly BEAUTIFUL…. makes me proud to be a BMW fan…

]]> By: Michael http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/05/new-details-on-the-next-generation-2012-bmw-3-series/#comment-141394 Michael Thu, 06 Aug 2009 05:09:34 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=18002#comment-141394 You make made me laugh out loud Vitric, thanks for not holding back on how you really feel....hahaha. I agree that some of the environmental measures are taking the fun out of driving, but look what happened to GM and Chrysler when they went the traditional guzzling route. People are going to care because of the environment, and secondly because of the additional strain on their wallet due to taxes, oil price, etc. If BMW wants to be competitive in the future, it's good for them to try and be proactive. If any manufacturer can merge efficiency with fun, it's BMW that I trust in. You make made me laugh out loud Vitric, thanks for not holding back on how you really feel….hahaha.
I agree that some of the environmental measures are taking the fun out of driving, but look what happened to GM and Chrysler when they went the traditional guzzling route. People are going to care because of the environment, and secondly because of the additional strain on their wallet due to taxes, oil price, etc.
If BMW wants to be competitive in the future, it’s good for them to try and be proactive. If any manufacturer can merge efficiency with fun, it’s BMW that I trust in.

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