Comments on: Rumor: BMW M1 Concept Hybrid to be unveiled at IAA

By: Breaking: BMW Sports Car Concept Spotted

Breaking: BMW Sports Car Concept Spotted — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:36:42 +0000

[...] unveiled at the Frankfurt Auto Show. Now, the question remains whether we’re looking at the M1 Concept Hybrid or the Z Vision [...]

By: viper

viper — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:45:47 +0000

its not for u moron , the post above me was obviously deleted

By: wazon

wazon — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 15:28:12 +0000

I am affraid that you live in alice wonderland. You claim that current E-klasse is lighter than previous. Let see weight statistics:
E200 W211 (1570kg)/ E200 W212 (1615kg)
E350 W211 (1610kg)/ E350 BlueTEC W212 (1735kg)
E500 W211 (1570kg)/ E500 W212 (1830)
diesels
E220 W211 (1610kg)/ E220 W212 (1735kg)
E350 W211 (1670kg)/ E350 W212 (1825kg)

Take BMW 5-er limo:
520i e39 (1470kg)/ 520i e60 (1460kg) – lighther, slightly, but it is, isn’t it?
523i e39 (1475kg)/ 523i e60 (1575kg)
525i e39 (1575kg)/ 525i e60 (1585) – no so bad
530i e39 (1540kg)/ 530i e60 (1605kg)
540i e39 (1740kg)/ 540i e60 (1725kg)
diesels
520d e39 (1490)/ 520d e60 (1585kg)
530d e39 (1625kg)/ 530d e60 (1655kg).

Gaining mass in BMW is not as bad as you claim. Just compare it with E-klasse about which you falsely claim that it got lighter, I don’t see it from any official stastics.

You complain on steel chassis, but just look how MB got mass with aliminium chassis. Each E-klasse version is heavier than its counterpart in BMW’s offert. If MB’s weight reduction politics is good – as you seem claim – then BMW seems to do even better.

Stop complaining on Z4 2009, it’s got hard top, so it has to gain at least 200kg, which is good result IMO. You just ignore this simple fact. Once again car weight is similar to SLK.

By: Doug

Doug — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:06:07 +0000

Using inappropriate sex humor belies a sensitivity and discomfort on sexual topics and situations. Is this something you want everyone to know?

By: Doug

Doug — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:54:10 +0000

Wow, this thread got way off track.

Horatiu, how do we know it’s going to be a new old M1, and not a new new M1? That is, a car based on the 1-series. One could speculate on the 11k rpm 4-banger with KERS and some carbon thrown on. The standard 911 isn’t a speed demon by any stretch, unless you mean turbo or GT series’.

By: Doug

Doug — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:48:47 +0000

I think a lot (if not most) of the AMG badges and parts you see are aftermarket. AMG and M are really equivalent in exclusivity, at least IMHO.

However, BMW is undermining M with M-sport and other options, these should have been labeled ZHP or similiar.

By: viper

viper — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:27:53 +0000

sing that ur mom , or write it down to her on mothers day

By: viper

viper — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:23:57 +0000

I disagree , for me AMG cars are way more exclusive than M cars , and that is my opinion , I think MB as a car is more exclusive and better than BMW however thats not mine opinion thats the truth.

By: Paul

Paul — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:12:45 +0000

what are you talking about?? the new e class is packed with new tech, is longer, wider and yet kept the same weight!! thats called research and the use of new materials…so that you can increase the tech and safety features without increasead weight…obviously i am not comparing a model from 20 years ago with one from today, but 2 gen ago its obvious the increase…and more obvious with the Z…200kg from one gen to the other is alot no…mate, i think you Live in alice´s wonderland…wake up…the only reason why bmw cars are getting heavier is only because is more expensive to make them lighter…the upcoming 5 series is ditching aluminium for steel (heavier btw) because is cheaper!!! so no, its not a question of more mass and new tech, is just a question of the financial minds in munich trying to get more bucks from you and I

By: Lance

Lance — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:12:18 +0000

That’s why BMW’s M is so much more exclusive than Merc’s AMG and Audi’s RS. BMW’s M really mean something whereas AMG is just slapped on “almost everything” . Audi’s s is a joke – cosmetic freaks with no substance.

By: wazon

wazon — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:33:38 +0000

Ok. My fault with Z4 and SL. Z4sDrive30i is the same heavy as SLK350.

Well, it’s not the only BMW’s problem that previous models are lighter than actual one. Actually, you can find that each producent deliver heavier cars from generation to generation. Explanation of this state of affair is simple: Cars get more safety technologies and more electronics than previous models and all those things weight a lot. Cutting mass programs are rather aimed on keep mass similar to the previous model. I don’t know why you ignore this when you complain on weight of actual models. Better think how weight cars would be, if they were made the same way as previous models and get more on the broad. You tend to compare statistics of weight without even taking into consideration that cars is getting more electronically advance and that they have to have more and more safety technologies. Where cars wouldn’t get mass when taking more and more heavy technologies on board?? Alice woderland maybe???

By: Paul

Paul — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:24:22 +0000

You are comparing a SL mercedes with the Z4??? ever heard of slk?? thats the one it should be pitched against…and audi and merc are using fabric rooftops with there new convertible (A5 and e class coup)…and the carbon roof…dont get me started on that…thats just save 4 or 5 kg over the conventional tin top!!

every new generation of vehicles from bmw is heavier than the previous…so when you say – and I quote – only confirm bmw indeed is going to make lighter cars- end quote. Where?? Alice wonderland maybe??

By: wazon

wazon — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:56:20 +0000

It seems to me that they could change their mind concerning production of supercar. After all, great car would be great thing to improve their undermined image after unscessfull 2009 season in F1 and pretty bad (at least when one takes into consideration BMW vs Audi/VW competition) 2008 season in WTCC. Maybe marketing needs will tip scales in favour of supercar. From many sources there comes rumor that BMW indeed gonna spend money freed up from F1 on supercar.

Disagree with your point about weight of cars. You complain that Z4 2009 is 200kg heavier than the old version. I think that it’s really good result of cutting mass. Car got heavy as hell hard top, so it’s little wonder that it’s heavier, but Z4 sDrive30i or sDrive35i is lighter around 300kg than MB SL350. This difference only confirmes that BMW indeed is going to make lighter cars. Just take look on M3 e92, it’s only car from its segment that have carbon roof.

5GT is fat, but it is consequence of its size. This car has 7-er platform and is higher than 7-er.

By: viper

viper — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 10:49:15 +0000

I had to agree on what u say….they dont have the balls to build one , I am so disappointed in bmw , but hey I really dont give a shit about them anymore , bmw is out

By: Karl

Karl — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:03:47 +0000

Looks like an old VW from the 80′s!?!

By: Paul

Paul — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:43:33 +0000

“One thing that we can probably agree on immediately is the use of lightweight materials, an initiative that BMW has been focusing on recently.”

You have got to be s***ing me…where??? the fat ass 5GT or the almost 200kg heavier new generation Z4…who writes this crap???

Plus if they are showing a concept m1, whats the point?? this bmw board doesnt have the balls to make one anyway

By: viper

viper — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:20:49 +0000

well it has to a really shitty climate over Munchen then because in Stuttgart and Inglostad it is very sunny and promising as far as for supercars , they have SLR or the new SLS , audis got R8 , theyve got V12 diesel , they will come up with a 4 door coupe , they cover almost every segement just like the Benz , of course Benz has AMG badge on almost everything. I admire them

By: Lance

Lance — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:56:59 +0000

This rendering looks terrible though – looks somewhat like an alfa, which is ugly. The M1 H had a great stance, this rendering looks like it’s got down syndrome

By: Lance

Lance — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:55:24 +0000

You forgot to mention that it is actually a VW filled with VW parts. Just different exterior body pannels, badge and some well put together plastics and leather for the inetrior to boost up its underlying inferior standards. The current fad about Audi’s came about becasue they had a massive improvement compared to their own past. But the fact of the matter is that they are still way off the benchmark set by BMW.

By: Lance

Lance — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:51:26 +0000

That’s if you consider great and powerful cars based solely on hp. Most value a whole lot of other factors that make a sports car successful. PS BMW is probably the most capable premium company to make a goof sports car based on its resources, history and potential. The question is whetehr they are willing to risk doing so in the current climate.