Comments on: Engine of the Year Award 2009: BMW scores three awards with Four, Six and Eight Cylinders http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/ News And Rumors Covering The Auto Industry Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:19:00 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: João Prates http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-142362 João Prates Sun, 09 Aug 2009 10:12:55 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-142362 Believe me when I say that the Prius ICE should have won the 1.4-1.8 category along with the Green award. And you only know half of the story. The more you would know about the Prius the more you would be amazed. It is really a technological marvel ignored by most people. But hey, I'm not here to convert anyone from a BMW to a Prius, you can have them both if you want ;) I just tried to stir the couple and alert people that German companies are spending a lot more money on marketing and lobby than on technical advances and the fact of the matter is that this approach is winning them awards. It's sad. OK, thanks for listening Jordan and all. Do investigate a little more about the Prius in various dedicated sites, and don't believe a third of what you hear about the car in the press. That would be my best advice. Peace everyone. Bye now. Believe me when I say that the Prius ICE should have won the 1.4-1.8 category along with the Green award. And you only know half of the story. The more you would know about the Prius the more you would be amazed. It is really a technological marvel ignored by most people. But hey, I’m not here to convert anyone from a BMW to a Prius, you can have them both if you want ;)

I just tried to stir the couple and alert people that German companies are spending a lot more money on marketing and lobby than on technical advances and the fact of the matter is that this approach is winning them awards. It’s sad.

OK, thanks for listening Jordan and all. Do investigate a little more about the Prius in various dedicated sites, and don’t believe a third of what you hear about the car in the press. That would be my best advice.

Peace everyone. Bye now.

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]]> By: Jordan http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-142357 Jordan Sun, 09 Aug 2009 09:47:21 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-142357 Ya i had no idea about that. i was sure they just popped a 1.8l from the corolla in and paired it with an electric engine. like you said I think toyota needs to put more money into their marketing campaign, im sure that information would help make the decision for ppl considering the Prius. it made me want the Prius more haha... but i'd still rather have a BMW :P Ya i had no idea about that. i was sure they just popped a 1.8l from the corolla in and paired it with an electric engine. like you said I think toyota needs to put more money into their marketing campaign, im sure that information would help make the decision for ppl considering the Prius. it made me want the Prius more haha… but i’d still rather have a BMW :P

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]]> By: João Prates http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-142211 João Prates Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:57:11 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-142211 No, not at all. To begin with, all Prius engines work on the Atkinson cycle, that makes a whole difference. That's the main reason for the very good BSFC. The expansion valve closing timing is different (delayed) so that you can take the last breath of each explosion. There is a lot of articles in the internet explaining this trick. Then you have to add the exhaust gas recirculation system, add the exhaust heat recovery system, add the fact that the engine is completely belt less (electric water pump is new in the new Prius), etc, and you have an engineering feat altogether that makes it possible to get 1kWh with only 220 g of fuel across almost all rpm range. Complement it with a state of the art hybrid system... and there's no way this car would have lost the prizes the way it lost if it was not for the total ignorance of the journalists that make the jury. The current hybrid technology is too much for the skill limited journalists, that's what I say. More and more we see that there is a very little number of motoring journalists that know how the HSD system works. Each time we Prius owners read an article where the Prius is mentioned, we always brace for the ignorance that is bound to be there. Toyota should perhaps spend more money explaining, teaching, these journalists about its technology. It is not enough to be the best, it is not enough to have the best, you must let other people understand you. Public relations are not so good at Toyota. They worry too much about tech and too little about teaching the press IMHO. No, not at all.

To begin with, all Prius engines work on the Atkinson cycle, that makes a whole difference. That’s the main reason for the very good BSFC. The expansion valve closing timing is different (delayed) so that you can take the last breath of each explosion. There is a lot of articles in the internet explaining this trick.

Then you have to add the exhaust gas recirculation system, add the exhaust heat recovery system, add the fact that the engine is completely belt less (electric water pump is new in the new Prius), etc, and you have an engineering feat altogether that makes it possible to get 1kWh with only 220 g of fuel across almost all rpm range.

Complement it with a state of the art hybrid system… and there’s no way this car would have lost the prizes the way it lost if it was not for the total ignorance of the journalists that make the jury.

The current hybrid technology is too much for the skill limited journalists, that’s what I say. More and more we see that there is a very little number of motoring journalists that know how the HSD system works.

Each time we Prius owners read an article where the Prius is mentioned, we always brace for the ignorance that is bound to be there. Toyota should perhaps spend more money explaining, teaching, these journalists about its technology.

It is not enough to be the best, it is not enough to have the best, you must let other people understand you. Public relations are not so good at Toyota. They worry too much about tech and too little about teaching the press IMHO.

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]]> By: Jordan http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-142197 Jordan Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:08:49 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-142197 I wasn't aware of that. I thought the new diesels were more fuel efficient and had less CO2. Isn't the new 1.8L in the 2010 Prius the same engine as in the Corolla? I wasn’t aware of that. I thought the new diesels were more fuel efficient and had less CO2.

Isn’t the new 1.8L in the 2010 Prius the same engine as in the Corolla?

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]]> By: João Prates http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-142178 João Prates Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:16:13 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-142178 Hi Jordan, I understand your point, but let me clear two things that I think you are not aware of: 1) The prize has always been for the power train and not just the ICE. If you look at the previous years, the Prius has been winning it for about 5 years in a row I believe. If you look at the criteria, it speaks of power train, not ICE. 2) The ICE itself is an engineering feat that smashes the VW TSI to kingdom come. The specific fuel consumption of the ICE alone (no battery or other hybrid component concerned) is an impressive low 220 g/kWh across the whole range of RPM, it's incredible how they managed to build this. The new Prius ICE is by far more efficient than most of the best diesel engines, and that is no small feat. You can see the new BFSC graph for the new Prius Engine here on this post of mine: http://prius-pt.com/cafe/forums/p/1007/10499.aspx#10499. So, either way, looking at the complete powertrain or just the ICE, the Prius has the undisputed lead. Moreover, we are talking about the Green Engine award for crying out loud, the main criteria should be fuel efficiency and emissions! Someone has its pockets full by now if you ask me... I may be wrong... Hi Jordan,

I understand your point, but let me clear two things that I think you are not aware of:

1) The prize has always been for the power train and not just the ICE. If you look at the previous years, the Prius has been winning it for about 5 years in a row I believe. If you look at the criteria, it speaks of power train, not ICE.

2) The ICE itself is an engineering feat that smashes the VW TSI to kingdom come. The specific fuel consumption of the ICE alone (no battery or other hybrid component concerned) is an impressive low 220 g/kWh across the whole range of RPM, it’s incredible how they managed to build this.

The new Prius ICE is by far more efficient than most of the best diesel engines, and that is no small feat. You can see the new BFSC graph for the new Prius Engine here on this post of mine: http://prius-pt.com/cafe/forums/p/1007/10499.aspx#10499.

So, either way, looking at the complete powertrain or just the ICE, the Prius has the undisputed lead.

Moreover, we are talking about the Green Engine award for crying out loud, the main criteria should be fuel efficiency and emissions! Someone has its pockets full by now if you ask me… I may be wrong…

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]]> By: Jordan http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-142173 Jordan Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:59:37 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-142173 I partially agreed with ur comment at first.... but there is a big difference between the engine in the Prius and the VW. the Prius has a battery helping it use it's engine less which obviously emits less CO2 and better fuel economy. But the engines are very different. the VW has an internal combustion engine and no battery to help it get better economy. however..... we live in the 21st century and these are the "Engine of the Year Awards" so going back to the basic roots of the word engine, which is a mechanical device that produces some form of output from a given input, having a battery powered car is actually an engine. we've been assessing engines based on certain factors and in the 21st century I believe we're really going to have to change those parameters. A battery engine doesn't require gasoline so L/100km is useless and it doesn't emit CO2 so that parameter is useless. i think they should change these to the "Internal Combustion Engine of the Year Awards" and have separate awards for Electric Powered Vehicles. I partially agreed with ur comment at first…. but there is a big difference between the engine in the Prius and the VW. the Prius has a battery helping it use it’s engine less which obviously emits less CO2 and better fuel economy. But the engines are very different. the VW has an internal combustion engine and no battery to help it get better economy. however…..

we live in the 21st century and these are the “Engine of the Year Awards” so going back to the basic roots of the word engine, which is a mechanical device that produces some form of output from a given input, having a battery powered car is actually an engine. we’ve been assessing engines based on certain factors and in the 21st century I believe we’re really going to have to change those parameters. A battery engine doesn’t require gasoline so L/100km is useless and it doesn’t emit CO2 so that parameter is useless. i think they should change these to the “Internal Combustion Engine of the Year Awards” and have separate awards for Electric Powered Vehicles.

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]]> By: João Prates http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-142094 João Prates Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:20:09 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-142094 The results for Engine of the Year Awards 2009 should be subjected to severe auditing from independent sources. I will only name 1 category where the results are simply outrageous to an extent far beyond comprehension: The Green Engine award. The jury had several cars to choose from, and two nominees were the VW TSI and the new Prius 3G (3rd generation). Having: The VW with 174 hp, 6.2 L/100 km and 144 g/km CO2; The Toyota with 136 hp, 3.9 L/100 km and 89 g/km CO2 The jury says the car which has: +30% horsepower, 63% more fuel consumption, 62% more CO2 emissions is the greenest car... yeah... right... is this for real!?!?! The general public demands a general inquiry to this Jury votes right now! This is a shameful representation of how strong lobbies can go. I feel sick to the stomach reading this year's awards. Shame on the jury! The results for Engine of the Year Awards 2009 should be subjected to severe auditing from independent sources.

I will only name 1 category where the results are simply outrageous to an extent far beyond comprehension: The Green Engine award.

The jury had several cars to choose from, and two nominees were the VW TSI and the new Prius 3G (3rd generation).

Having:

The VW with 174 hp, 6.2 L/100 km and 144 g/km CO2;
The Toyota with 136 hp, 3.9 L/100 km and 89 g/km CO2

The jury says the car which has:

+30% horsepower, 63% more fuel consumption, 62% more CO2 emissions

is the greenest car… yeah… right… is this for real!?!?!

The general public demands a general inquiry to this Jury votes right now!

This is a shameful representation of how strong lobbies can go.
I feel sick to the stomach reading this year’s awards.

Shame on the jury!

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]]> By: Frans http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-134450 Frans Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:29:08 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-134450 To Lance, Babken and Jordan, YOU LEGENDS ! ! ! To Lance, Babken and Jordan, YOU LEGENDS ! ! !

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]]> By: Giom http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-134288 Giom Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:00:38 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-134288 Hear hear! Hear hear!

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]]> By: Des - MPOWERD http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-134263 Des - MPOWERD Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:57:00 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-134263 Hi All, This issue about innovations although already covered presents quiet frankly an idiotic view of MB innovations...different companies have all contributed to the modern day automobile...some have invented tyres, tyre pressure monitors and so the list goes on and on....the issue when defining what an automobile is is vital in this instance...I suggest look it up ......it speaks of the combusiton engine and a vehicle powered by an engine which is the quintessential aspect or definition of what a vehicle is....so one has to comment then that BMW is the preeminent leader in this space....may I refer you to the above number of awards, so the definition of what an automobile is is an area that BMW concentrates on...given their outstanding fantastic engines....a note the M3 3.2 engine has won its category every year during its production...TOP that Merc...in any category......your materials of construction balance lighter materials with better efficiency and harnessing performance through optimal engineering is a distance cry from your large cubic displacement..... Hi All,
This issue about innovations although already covered presents quiet frankly an idiotic view of MB innovations…different companies have all contributed to the modern day automobile…some have invented tyres, tyre pressure monitors and so the list goes on and on….the issue when defining what an automobile is is vital in this instance…I suggest look it up ……it speaks of the combusiton engine and a vehicle powered by an engine which is the quintessential aspect or definition of what a vehicle is….so one has to comment then that BMW is the preeminent leader in this space….may I refer you to the above number of awards, so the definition of what an automobile is is an area that BMW concentrates on…given their outstanding fantastic engines….a note the M3 3.2 engine has won its category every year during its production…TOP that Merc…in any category……your materials of construction balance lighter materials with better efficiency and harnessing performance through optimal engineering is a distance cry from your large cubic displacement…..

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]]> By: Babken http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-133611 Babken Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:56:26 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-133611 Dear Lance, The exterior beauty is just a matter of taste. If I may speak personally, I wouldn't change a 3 Series bonnet for mercedes's total assets. That's my point. Dear Lance,
The exterior beauty is just a matter of taste. If I may speak personally, I wouldn’t change a 3 Series bonnet for mercedes’s total assets. That’s my point.

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]]> By: Lance http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-133591 Lance Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:44:19 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-133591 All premium companies in the auto world invest heavily on R&D with hope to stay ahead of competition. Merc is no different. It must be noted that a patent only lasts for a few years. Merc has also been actively marketing its technologies and are not as humble as you may think. It doesn't make business sense to invent something and keep quiet about them. The fact that Merc licensed them for use by competitors was probably the most profitable business decision to make at that time, prob before their patent expired as you should know, these techno patents probably last for about 2 years. Another reason for that move maybe to prevent others from developing similar technology in competition to ABS, yet functions the same, in which case Merc would have lost all its possible advantage of R&D capital layout. The last possible reason would be to get greater acceptance of its new technology: you have to realise that pulsing brakes in those times would not be something that could be widely accepted. By getting more manufacturers to buy into this technology, it aids Merc as the inventor to get wider customer acceptance and trust. So these decisions are more business performance motivated, contrary to your thinking of moral intentions. You can also imagine other benefits in terms of suppliers but I won't mention them here. These are actually very common practice in the business world, especially ones concerning new tech and innovations in VC and startups. As for BMW stepping up to Merc, I think you have it the other way around. The BMW Group is the No.1 Premium Car Company in the World since a few years ago already and currently it is also the most sustainable car company in the world as rated in America. Most sustainable means most likely to be the last one standing. To be the last one standing, you need to have a good business with profitable Assets (tangible or intangible). It is irrelevant that you invented something a few decades ago but cannot solely profit from it any longer. Shoul we also worship Volvo for bringing out the first three point seatbelt? No. Should we worship BMW for bringing out Night Vision? Yes as long as it stays away from being a commodity. All premium companies in the auto world invest heavily on R&D with hope to stay ahead of competition. Merc is no different. It must be noted that a patent only lasts for a few years. Merc has also been actively marketing its technologies and are not as humble as you may think. It doesn’t make business sense to invent something and keep quiet about them. The fact that Merc licensed them for use by competitors was probably the most profitable business decision to make at that time, prob before their patent expired as you should know, these techno patents probably last for about 2 years. Another reason for that move maybe to prevent others from developing similar technology in competition to ABS, yet functions the same, in which case Merc would have lost all its possible advantage of R&D capital layout. The last possible reason would be to get greater acceptance of its new technology: you have to realise that pulsing brakes in those times would not be something that could be widely accepted. By getting more manufacturers to buy into this technology, it aids Merc as the inventor to get wider customer acceptance and trust. So these decisions are more business performance motivated, contrary to your thinking of moral intentions. You can also imagine other benefits in terms of suppliers but I won’t mention them here. These are actually very common practice in the business world, especially ones concerning new tech and innovations in VC and startups.

As for BMW stepping up to Merc, I think you have it the other way around. The BMW Group is the No.1 Premium Car Company in the World since a few years ago already and currently it is also the most sustainable car company in the world as rated in America. Most sustainable means most likely to be the last one standing. To be the last one standing, you need to have a good business with profitable Assets (tangible or intangible). It is irrelevant that you invented something a few decades ago but cannot solely profit from it any longer. Shoul we also worship Volvo for bringing out the first three point seatbelt? No. Should we worship BMW for bringing out Night Vision? Yes as long as it stays away from being a commodity.

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]]> By: Lance http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-133587 Lance Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:20:02 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-133587 I agree, although sometimes you exagerate a bit, but it is the truth. Not only is Mec for the daughters, but also, statistics have shown that the older generations tend to support Mercedes and one survey even said that many Merc customers drive Merc because of the reason that they have been Merc customers for decades! This kind of mentality does not work with the younger generations today. If you're good, we buy. There is obviously a degree of brand loyalty, especially for the great ones but it is of a lesser degree in purchasing decisions in today's world. However, I must admit that the Merc C Class is a good looking car (exterior) and that alone will steal many sales from the 3 Series (although also good looking, but gone soft with the facelift and the rear is a bit more evil looking). This is despite the 3 Series being a far superior car in all other aspects. Furthermore, BMW may have the best engines but if the running cost may amount to multiple folds higher than its rivals (thanks to RFT) and the company still fails to address that cost problem, sorry, those who want peace of mind motoring with potection would go for something else, especially the ones with car allowance, company cars, etc.... those who change cars in cycles of a few years. I agree, although sometimes you exagerate a bit, but it is the truth. Not only is Mec for the daughters, but also, statistics have shown that the older generations tend to support Mercedes and one survey even said that many Merc customers drive Merc because of the reason that they have been Merc customers for decades! This kind of mentality does not work with the younger generations today. If you’re good, we buy. There is obviously a degree of brand loyalty, especially for the great ones but it is of a lesser degree in purchasing decisions in today’s world.

However, I must admit that the Merc C Class is a good looking car (exterior) and that alone will steal many sales from the 3 Series (although also good looking, but gone soft with the facelift and the rear is a bit more evil looking). This is despite the 3 Series being a far superior car in all other aspects. Furthermore, BMW may have the best engines but if the running cost may amount to multiple folds higher than its rivals (thanks to RFT) and the company still fails to address that cost problem, sorry, those who want peace of mind motoring with potection would go for something else, especially the ones with car allowance, company cars, etc…. those who change cars in cycles of a few years.

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]]> By: Jordan http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-133522 Jordan Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:50:45 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-133522 Haha I have no idea. At first when i saw it i thought it was some dirt on my screen Haha I have no idea. At first when i saw it i thought it was some dirt on my screen

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]]> By: Giom http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-133520 Giom Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:46:48 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-133520 Thanks! And yes, I found the smily face. How the hell did you spot that? Thanks! And yes, I found the smily face. How the hell did you spot that?

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]]> By: Jordan http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-133518 Jordan Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:33:07 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-133518 Excellent read Giom! Wikipedia is full of great info. PS. Has anyone noticed that if you scroll to the bottom of any page on bmwblog.com, there is a tiny tiny happy face in the bottom left corner!! you have to actually look for it to see it haha. Horatiu is that your little joke?! Excellent read Giom! Wikipedia is full of great info.

PS. Has anyone noticed that if you scroll to the bottom of any page on bmwblog.com, there is a tiny tiny happy face in the bottom left corner!! you have to actually look for it to see it haha. Horatiu is that your little joke?!

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]]> By: Giom http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-133516 Giom Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:21:00 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-133516 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lock_braking_system Since we're somewhat off topic, I sugest reading up on the above link. It's just like Jordan said -and more! I'm blown over by the facts. READ IT! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lock_braking_system

Since we’re somewhat off topic, I sugest reading up on the above link. It’s just like Jordan said -and more! I’m blown over by the facts. READ IT!

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]]> By: Jordan http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-133506 Jordan Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:24:03 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-133506 EXACTLY Babken! I had written up a big thing in reply to Klez but it didn't work and I didn't feel like typing it again haha. Well Klez on behalf of the world I'd just like to really thank Mercedes Benz for just allowing the rest of the world to have ABS and crumple zones for safety, I just feel like bowing down right now, so thankful. NOT! Do you really think that's for real?! That Mercedes ALLOWED everyone to use ABS? Hell no. BOSCH makes ABS for a ton of car manufactures, so really, you're not getting a Mercedes ABS in your Mercedes, it's BOSCH, same with VW, BMW, Porsche, and many other manufacturers. And just like Babken said, who cares if you invented it decades ago, it's what you have done with that technology and how you have used it. No one cares about who made the lightbulb, we don't talk about Edison, we talk about who's making the best lightbulbs now. And same with Edison, he didn't REALLY invent the lightbulb from scratch, he used previous inventions by other people to help make his lightbulb. So I find it really hard to believe that no one else in the world knew nothing about ABS except Mercedes until they made it. So in summary, its not who made it, but who has made the best use of the technology and is the furthest advanced today! EXACTLY Babken! I had written up a big thing in reply to Klez but it didn’t work and I didn’t feel like typing it again haha. Well Klez on behalf of the world I’d just like to really thank Mercedes Benz for just allowing the rest of the world to have ABS and crumple zones for safety, I just feel like bowing down right now, so thankful. NOT! Do you really think that’s for real?! That Mercedes ALLOWED everyone to use ABS? Hell no. BOSCH makes ABS for a ton of car manufactures, so really, you’re not getting a Mercedes ABS in your Mercedes, it’s BOSCH, same with VW, BMW, Porsche, and many other manufacturers. And just like Babken said, who cares if you invented it decades ago, it’s what you have done with that technology and how you have used it. No one cares about who made the lightbulb, we don’t talk about Edison, we talk about who’s making the best lightbulbs now. And same with Edison, he didn’t REALLY invent the lightbulb from scratch, he used previous inventions by other people to help make his lightbulb. So I find it really hard to believe that no one else in the world knew nothing about ABS except Mercedes until they made it. So in summary, its not who made it, but who has made the best use of the technology and is the furthest advanced today!

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]]> By: Babken http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-133480 Babken Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:36:21 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-133480 Klez, There are many factors that make BMW a far more better and prestigious vehicle on the road than your dirty mercedes. I'll mention just three of them: First: if your pathetic mercedes was a better brand than BMW, it would be the leader in the market segment today, but it isn't: the clear leader here is BMW. The 3 series smashes to dust your foolish c-class, likewise the 5-Series turns to ashes your idiotic e-class. This is the most important indicator of which car company is better. Second: in the most important engine competition, namely The international engine of the year awards, BMW won 43 nominations in total compared to your stupid mercedes which won 5 nominations. As for the International engine of the year award, BMW won 6 times out of 11 occasions (actually it would be 7, but this year judges decided to give the award to VW in order to finish BMW's dominance), and your stupid mercedes didn't even win once. Third: BMW makes much more balanced chassis than your turtle mercedes. On the track while your Barby mercedes tries to cut one corner, BMW is already on its second corner. Now regarding your stupid opinion regarding innovations. England invented soccer, but are they leaders in that sports today? Of course not. So remember what I say: what you have invented is not important. More important is how you make use of your invention. In that respect too, BMW far surpasses your for-girls-only mercedes. Klez,
There are many factors that make BMW a far more better and prestigious vehicle on the road than your dirty mercedes. I’ll mention just three of them:
First: if your pathetic mercedes was a better brand than BMW, it would be the leader in the market segment today, but it isn’t: the clear leader here is BMW. The 3 series smashes to dust your foolish c-class, likewise the 5-Series turns to ashes your idiotic e-class. This is the most important indicator of which car company is better.
Second: in the most important engine competition, namely The international engine of the year awards, BMW won 43 nominations in total compared to your stupid mercedes which won 5 nominations. As for the International engine of the year award, BMW won 6 times out of 11 occasions (actually it would be 7, but this year judges decided to give the award to VW in order to finish BMW’s dominance), and your stupid mercedes didn’t even win once.
Third: BMW makes much more balanced chassis than your turtle mercedes. On the track while your Barby mercedes tries to cut one corner, BMW is already on its second corner.
Now regarding your stupid opinion regarding innovations. England invented soccer, but are they leaders in that sports today? Of course not. So remember what I say: what you have invented is not important. More important is how you make use of your invention. In that respect too, BMW far surpasses your for-girls-only mercedes.

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]]> By: Klez http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/06/17/engine-of-the-year-award-2009-bmw-scores-three-awards-with-four-six-and-eight-cylinders/comment-page-1/#comment-133432 Klez Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:15:26 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=15762#comment-133432 Please talk about it. I need you to put me to shame! Tell me what it is that the ultimate driving machine has done that the auto industry benefited from?! Please talk about it. I need you to put me to shame! Tell me what it is that the ultimate driving machine has done that the auto industry benefited from?!

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