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	<title>Comments on: CarConnection drives the BMW Z4 sDrive30i</title>
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		<title>By: carritofino</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/13/carconnection-drives-the-bmw-z4-sdrive30i/comment-page-1/#comment-165167</link>
		<dc:creator>carritofino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 911 GT2 is twin turbo.  Don&#039;t add it to your list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 911 GT2 is twin turbo.  Don&#8217;t add it to your list.</p>
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		<title>By: Horatiu B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horatiu B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great conversation guys, thank you. Learned some new things...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great conversation guys, thank you. Learned some new things&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-126101&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Doug&lt;/a&gt;: 


Yea, it&#039;s more to do with reliability. When your turbo engine blows you can just pull to the side of the road, airplanes just can&#039;t do that. Safety is huge in aviation, there are always back up systems or mechanisms. Turbo engines in aviation are fantastic. You&#039;re really not putting any extra stress on the engine as with a car because you&#039;re only maintaining sea level pressure and not creating &quot;boost&quot; and yet you&#039;re at say 14,000ft where you would have lost 14&quot; of manifold pressure, you&#039;ve still got the same pressure at sea level.

If you&#039;re looking for a power/weight advantage you&#039;d have to step up to turboprop aircraft which are basically a jet core with a prop on it. They are very good for power/weight but they are heavy compared to a 4-6 cylinder piston engine and so they aren&#039;t good in the small aircraft like a Cessna 172, therefore they are used in heavier and faster aircraft. The PT6 is the most popular turboprop and it produces up to 1500shp (2300shp for helicopters) and weighs 485lbs. The Piaggio P180 Avanti II is pretty much the King of turboprops and uses the PT6 engine. A little off topic though because it&#039;s pretty much a jet engine :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-126101" rel="nofollow">Doug</a>: </p>
<p>Yea, it&#8217;s more to do with reliability. When your turbo engine blows you can just pull to the side of the road, airplanes just can&#8217;t do that. Safety is huge in aviation, there are always back up systems or mechanisms. Turbo engines in aviation are fantastic. You&#8217;re really not putting any extra stress on the engine as with a car because you&#8217;re only maintaining sea level pressure and not creating &#8220;boost&#8221; and yet you&#8217;re at say 14,000ft where you would have lost 14&#8243; of manifold pressure, you&#8217;ve still got the same pressure at sea level.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re looking for a power/weight advantage you&#8217;d have to step up to turboprop aircraft which are basically a jet core with a prop on it. They are very good for power/weight but they are heavy compared to a 4-6 cylinder piston engine and so they aren&#8217;t good in the small aircraft like a Cessna 172, therefore they are used in heavier and faster aircraft. The PT6 is the most popular turboprop and it produces up to 1500shp (2300shp for helicopters) and weighs 485lbs. The Piaggio P180 Avanti II is pretty much the King of turboprops and uses the PT6 engine. A little off topic though because it&#8217;s pretty much a jet engine :P</p>
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		<title>By: L1ndja</title>
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		<dc:creator>L1ndja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 18:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Sdrive30i over the 35i anytime...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Sdrive30i over the 35i anytime&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 17:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-126078&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jordan&lt;/a&gt;:  I&#039;d think they&#039;d want to take advantage of turbocharging&#039;s power/weight advantages especially in aircraft because of what every pound means.

Is it a question of reliability?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-126078" rel="nofollow">Jordan</a>:  I&#8217;d think they&#8217;d want to take advantage of turbocharging&#8217;s power/weight advantages especially in aircraft because of what every pound means.</p>
<p>Is it a question of reliability?</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 16:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...not to mention N/A engines sound a lot better IMO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;not to mention N/A engines sound a lot better IMO!</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 16:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That 35i is a sweet engine for sure but I do love N/A engines because you get to work them and adding more revs gives you more and more of a thrill where it isn&#039;t really true with a turbo engine. 

I don&#039;t have a lot of experience on the topic but my gut says I&#039;d rather have N/A if im gonna have some fun and race it a bit and a small turbo engine if you want a commuter car with good gas mileage.

All the great performance cars I list don&#039;t have turbos: 911 GT3, 911 GT2, CGT, Ferrari, Lambo, the M cars (at least for now ha), the R8 and R8 V10, Corvette, and even the regular Porsche 911, and these are all modern cars.

I&#039;m a pilot and in aircraft, turbos are used on a piston engines to maintain sea-level pressure in the climb so you get the same performance, there is no performance &quot;increase&quot; so to speak. As you climb up you loose about 1 inch of manifold pressure/1000&#039; in altitude so it maintains SLP by slowly increasing the pressure up to a limit, not always the same as your cruising altitude. So I could be a little biased!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That 35i is a sweet engine for sure but I do love N/A engines because you get to work them and adding more revs gives you more and more of a thrill where it isn&#8217;t really true with a turbo engine. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a lot of experience on the topic but my gut says I&#8217;d rather have N/A if im gonna have some fun and race it a bit and a small turbo engine if you want a commuter car with good gas mileage.</p>
<p>All the great performance cars I list don&#8217;t have turbos: 911 GT3, 911 GT2, CGT, Ferrari, Lambo, the M cars (at least for now ha), the R8 and R8 V10, Corvette, and even the regular Porsche 911, and these are all modern cars.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a pilot and in aircraft, turbos are used on a piston engines to maintain sea-level pressure in the climb so you get the same performance, there is no performance &#8220;increase&#8221; so to speak. As you climb up you loose about 1 inch of manifold pressure/1000&#8242; in altitude so it maintains SLP by slowly increasing the pressure up to a limit, not always the same as your cruising altitude. So I could be a little biased!</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 06:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget to mention that the 30i has less maintenance cost, because you don&#039;t have to worry about changing the turbos ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget to mention that the 30i has less maintenance cost, because you don&#8217;t have to worry about changing the turbos ;)</p>
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