Comments on: Next generation BMW 1 and 3 Series powered by 3 and 4 cylinder engines http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/ BMW News, Reviews, Test Drives, Photos And Videos Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:30:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Giom http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-126539 Giom Fri, 15 May 2009 13:56:07 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-126539 @<a href="#comment-126511" rel="nofollow">Matski</a>: Couldn't have said it beter myself! @Matski: Couldn’t have said it beter myself!

]]> By: Matski http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-126511 Matski Fri, 15 May 2009 11:51:10 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-126511 I think people need to stop getting hung up on what they're used to seeing from BMW, the important thing is not so much WHAT they do, as much as HOW they do it. As long as BMW's 3 cylinder engine is better than the competition then it will uphold what we've come to expect from BMW, they build the best engines!.. and so what if the 116 comes with a three cylinder engine, it won't change the fact that the 760 has 544hp, and the M3 has a storming NA V8 that revs to 8250rpm, BMW will still be building great cars! I don't want to see BMW become a dinosaur that clings rigidly to tradition, companies like that won't survive these days. I think people need to stop getting hung up on what they’re used to seeing from BMW, the important thing is not so much WHAT they do, as much as HOW they do it. As long as BMW’s 3 cylinder engine is better than the competition then it will uphold what we’ve come to expect from BMW, they build the best engines!.. and so what if the 116 comes with a three cylinder engine, it won’t change the fact that the 760 has 544hp, and the M3 has a storming NA V8 that revs to 8250rpm, BMW will still be building great cars! I don’t want to see BMW become a dinosaur that clings rigidly to tradition, companies like that won’t survive these days.

]]> By: BMWPete http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-126504 BMWPete Fri, 15 May 2009 10:58:23 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-126504 O no, please BMW, this can't be true. Don't do that to us! A 3-cylinder BMW is only half a BMW. BMW doesn't belong in the market of Suzuki, Daihatsu, Fiat, etc. BMW means quality, sportivity and driving pleasure. Don't put your good name at stake, BMW! O no, please BMW, this can’t be true. Don’t do that to us! A 3-cylinder BMW is only half a BMW. BMW doesn’t belong in the market of Suzuki, Daihatsu, Fiat, etc. BMW means quality, sportivity and driving pleasure. Don’t put your good name at stake, BMW!

]]> By: Big Pete http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-125409 Big Pete Sun, 10 May 2009 04:37:50 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-125409 I want a twin turbo V8 in the 1 series bitches I want a twin turbo V8 in the 1 series bitches

]]> By: Doug http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-125346 Doug Sat, 09 May 2009 22:03:40 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-125346 @<a href="#comment-125113" rel="nofollow">Scott</a>: Please do explain, Scott, so I may not fail again. I always thought that unlike a straight-6, a straight-3 would severely wobble end-to-end unless you use a balance shaft. @Scott: Please do explain, Scott, so I may not fail again. I always thought that unlike a straight-6, a straight-3 would severely wobble end-to-end unless you use a balance shaft.

]]> By: Horatiu B. http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-125256 Horatiu B. Sat, 09 May 2009 05:39:08 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-125256 Yes guys, there will still be 6 cylinder engines, even V8s, but I do see most of the European models being powered by these entry level engines. I mean, look at them now, most of the bimmers sold there have small displacements. Yes guys, there will still be 6 cylinder engines, even V8s, but I do see most of the European models being powered by these entry level engines. I mean, look at them now, most of the bimmers sold there have small displacements.

]]> By: Scott http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-125113 Scott Fri, 08 May 2009 20:09:28 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-125113 @<a href="#comment-124962" rel="nofollow">Doug</a>: Doug, learn your mechanics. An inline 3-cyl engine is inherently perfectly balanced. This is any a BMW inline-6 is also inherently balanced. A 4-cyl needs balance shafts or other measures to balance. Sorry, but you get a fail on this. @Doug:

Doug, learn your mechanics. An inline 3-cyl engine is inherently perfectly balanced. This is any a BMW inline-6 is also inherently balanced.

A 4-cyl needs balance shafts or other measures to balance.

Sorry, but you get a fail on this.

]]> By: uberpanzer http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-125112 uberpanzer Fri, 08 May 2009 19:58:18 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-125112 Wow people, READ before you reply. "According to sources close to BMW, the 3-cylinder engines will power SOME of the entry level vehicles..." This does not mean that ONLY these engines will be available. Remember how many engine options were out there world wide for the e21, e30 and e36 3 Series? How many are offered for the 1 Series and e9x? This is leaked info that there will be more engines than just the current I6 and I4 'options'. Nowhere did it say ONLY these engines. And a turbo 4 is EXACTLY what some of us Americans want from a new BMW. :) Wow people, READ before you reply. “According to sources close to BMW, the 3-cylinder engines will power SOME of the entry level vehicles…” This does not mean that ONLY these engines will be available. Remember how many engine options were out there world wide for the e21, e30 and e36 3 Series? How many are offered for the 1 Series and e9x? This is leaked info that there will be more engines than just the current I6 and I4 ‘options’. Nowhere did it say ONLY these engines. And a turbo 4 is EXACTLY what some of us Americans want from a new BMW. :)

]]> By: BernardP http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-125104 BernardP Fri, 08 May 2009 19:21:48 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-125104 Just wait... It won't last for long. Does anyone really believe that BMW won't put an inline six in the next 3 Series? You could also bet we won't see the 3 cyl. engine in North America. The 3 Series is available now in Europe with 4 cyl. engines. Just wait…

It won’t last for long. Does anyone really believe that BMW won’t put an inline six in the next 3 Series? You could also bet we won’t see the 3 cyl. engine in North America. The 3 Series is available now in Europe with 4 cyl. engines.

]]> By: okeribok http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-125090 okeribok Fri, 08 May 2009 16:41:32 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-125090 Could those be two-strokes? And does HK stand for Hong Kong? Could those be two-strokes? And does HK stand for Hong Kong?

]]> By: Doug http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-125056 Doug Fri, 08 May 2009 14:11:42 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-125056 @<a href="#comment-124988" rel="nofollow">Giom</a>: Yes, it's survival for them, but in changing their strategy they risk losing the qualities that have always made them great. What worries me is that BMW also has a history of making decisions like this that were indeed at the expense of their core values and identity. When the E46 came out, it was bigger and heavier in the interest of accommodating american tastes for larger interior space, which dulled the handling. The E90 made the car taller and larger which did really the same thing. While they were probably good decisions for BMW as a business, the 3 would still be a far better handling car today if they'd kept it small, light and low. Back to the 3-banger. A 3-cylinder engine (esp diesel) will get excellent mileage (often quoted 70mpg), but the engines have nowhere near the desired characteristics of a "bmw engine", and are instead better suited to powering an electrical drive system at a constant rpm. We all knew BMW would return to 4-cylinder engines, but those are proven and fundamentally sound designs to achieve these qualities; a 3-cylinder engine is not. It may help BMW achieve its goals, but the question is whether it will sell to enthusiasts of the BMW brand -- certainly this will not be the case in the states. @Giom: Yes, it’s survival for them, but in changing their strategy they risk losing the qualities that have always made them great.

What worries me is that BMW also has a history of making decisions like this that were indeed at the expense of their core values and identity. When the E46 came out, it was bigger and heavier in the interest of accommodating american tastes for larger interior space, which dulled the handling. The E90 made the car taller and larger which did really the same thing. While they were probably good decisions for BMW as a business, the 3 would still be a far better handling car today if they’d kept it small, light and low.

Back to the 3-banger. A 3-cylinder engine (esp diesel) will get excellent mileage (often quoted 70mpg), but the engines have nowhere near the desired characteristics of a “bmw engine”, and are instead better suited to powering an electrical drive system at a constant rpm. We all knew BMW would return to 4-cylinder engines, but those are proven and fundamentally sound designs to achieve these qualities; a 3-cylinder engine is not. It may help BMW achieve its goals, but the question is whether it will sell to enthusiasts of the BMW brand — certainly this will not be the case in the states.

]]> By: Mauro Corti http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-125022 Mauro Corti Fri, 08 May 2009 12:07:46 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-125022 Small turbo engine = less weight = more fun and better efficiency. That's good! Small turbo engine = less weight = more fun and better efficiency.

That’s good!

]]> By: Elio http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-124995 Elio Fri, 08 May 2009 08:22:16 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-124995 I seriously wouldn't doubt BMW's ability to make a stunning 3 cylinder engine, they're one of the best in the game if not THE best. I seriously wouldn’t doubt BMW’s ability to make a stunning 3 cylinder engine, they’re one of the best in the game if not THE best.

]]> By: haitham http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-124991 haitham Fri, 08 May 2009 07:02:57 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-124991 1.8 240bhp, 340nm! Holy moly! Take that jap fukers! 1.8 240bhp, 340nm! Holy moly! Take that jap fukers!

]]> By: haitham http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-124990 haitham Fri, 08 May 2009 07:01:04 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-124990 its bmw for gods sake! They knw wht they are doin! Its an option! Ul still have big engines, i thnk its a gr8 step forward from the guys frm munich. its bmw for gods sake! They knw wht they are doin! Its an option! Ul still have big engines, i thnk its a gr8 step forward from the guys frm munich.

]]> By: Giom http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-124988 Giom Fri, 08 May 2009 06:58:36 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-124988 I can only guess that, the lower the emissions from your volume products, would alow you to still have big performance low volume products. When I last checked, BMW was still the lowest emission car maker in the world -by some margin. Great to know they're aming for yet lower numbers. @<a href="#comment-124962" rel="nofollow">Doug</a>: I don't think this is so offensive. It's survival in a new world. I can only guess that, the lower the emissions from your volume products, would alow you to still have big performance low volume products.

When I last checked, BMW was still the lowest emission car maker in the world -by some margin. Great to know they’re aming for yet lower numbers.

@Doug: I don’t think this is so offensive. It’s survival in a new world.

]]> By: Doug http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-124962 Doug Fri, 08 May 2009 02:44:51 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-124962 A 3-cylinder engine??? That's downright offensive. A four cylinder can be a great engine because it's inherently quite balanced. A three cylinder engine is inherently unbalanced, unless you employ balance shafts or some other trick. Seriously, I'm really annoyed to hear this. Why don't they just move to a gas turbine or wankel rotor if they want to get that small? A 3-cylinder engine??? That’s downright offensive. A four cylinder can be a great engine because it’s inherently quite balanced. A three cylinder engine is inherently unbalanced, unless you employ balance shafts or some other trick.

Seriously, I’m really annoyed to hear this. Why don’t they just move to a gas turbine or wankel rotor if they want to get that small?

]]> By: Alvin Wong http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-124951 Alvin Wong Fri, 08 May 2009 01:54:18 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-124951 @<a href="#comment-124886" rel="nofollow">Big Pete</a>: I'm sure BMW will find a way to make it just as peppy and fun to drive as they are now. @Big Pete:

I’m sure BMW will find a way to make it just as peppy and fun to drive as they are now.

]]> By: Big Pete http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-124886 Big Pete Thu, 07 May 2009 22:45:48 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-124886 Ewwwwww the new 3-series will have more doors than cylinders. Ewwwwww the new 3-series will have more doors than cylinders.

]]> By: kafkef http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/05/07/next-generation-bmw-1-and-3-series-powered-by-3-and-4-cylinder-engines/#comment-124885 kafkef Thu, 07 May 2009 22:43:35 +0000 http://www.bmwblog.com/?p=13442#comment-124885 180hk/260Nm from a 1,35L 3 cylinder engine? Holy crap. 180hk/260Nm from a 1,35L 3 cylinder engine? Holy crap.

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