BMW has built an award winning engine. The N54 twin turbo that powers the 135,335,535 and soon will power the new Z4 Roadster. This engine has good horsepower and torque through the majority of the engine range but one of the weak spots has been the High Pressure Fuel Pump.
There have been several reports of HPFP going bad and causing a limp mode in which the driver experiences reduced power and has to “limp” to safety or to a garage. We talked about one here. Now it seems like BMW may be stepping up and taking care of those owners. Soon there should be an announcement that BMW is extending the Fuel Pump Warranty to 10yrs or 120,000 miles for any 2007or 2008 owners with an N54 engine.
I think this is great on BMW’s part to step up and take care of these owners. But the question remains is has this issue been corrected going forward? We have already seen reports of a few 2009’s have the High Pressure Fuel Pump Replaced. And what of the new Z4? I would hope this car does not come to market with the same issues.
this is true. the pumps are cover for 10yr. 120000mi. the cause of the failures are due to tolerance issue within the pump that came about during the manufacturing process. not sure if there is a new supplier but the new pumps are built to more precise tolerances.
Have not seen this officially done yet; it would be nice if they took care of the 2009s suffering from the same problem. Well, might as well include the Z4s for that matter. For 65K and a known bad issue, I don’t think I would make the purchase if I knew the problem existed. I would most likely search the web for ongoing fuel pump issues with any 35i model from 2007 to 2009, then think about the 65K leaving my wallet as I may be stuck brokedown on the road.
@Charcoal 350:
i cant say i disagree with you. i have no way to or need to justify on behalf ob BMW. we have not seen anyrpoblems with new pumps, and thats hellava warranty. you never have to worry about. and if a failure occurs the DME wiill eneter a failsafe mapping mode so that you can safely get to the nearest repair faclity with out any fear of engine damage.
again im not justifiing this poor manufacture.
My ‘08 330i 3 coupé has just been recalled (letter arrived today, 11 April) for a new high pressure fuel pump, so it’s not just N54 engines but N53 too.
They don’t make 2008 BMW 330’s genius.
i had my fuel pump replaced with the latest and greatest i had fuel sensor replaced i had spark plugs replaced and still when starting the car on a cold start the car is choking for gas. it obviousley is more than a fuel pump issue. no more turbo
My 05′, 760LI just suffered the problem with these pumps
was told i need to replace “both” of them at $3000.00 each
(part cost only)
what the f..ck !
my bmw 525d just suffered high pressure pump failure. only done 45,000 milage. jesus!! they had to pick me up when told the price.my warranty recently expired as well, hope the new one replaced is as tolerant as they say!!!
It’s really great that they have extended the warranty, but when in the middle of the high desert of CA, the desolate corridor between Palm Springs and Vegas, or the plains of KS, it’s really a pain to have the fuel pump go out. That’s right, just got the third engine malfunction on my 2008 with 11K miles on it, and am in the middle of nowhere on a Sunday. (The last pump was replaced on 3/24, and the service mgr mentioned the problem.) I love our 535i, but I’m sad that my husband’s Marine Corp retirement gift has caused such a huge headache, leaving us stranded for the third time with no one, not even BMW Assist, to really care. Yes, they will tow the car to the dealership, but we would need to get a rental car, at our expense, to follow our car being towed the 200+ miles. Not quite the service you would expect after purchasing a $60K car. PLEASE, definitely consider the fuel pump issue before purchasing a BMW with the N54 twin turbo engine.
Just had fuel pump replaced on my three month old 335ci. BMW better extend the warranty on the 2009 models too.
Me too. 08 535xi 15,000 miles. 6/14 high pressure fuel pump replaced; 6/17 sensor on low pressure fuel pump replaced. Will this solve the problem or will it be a chronic problem. Once fixed, have any others experienced repeat fuel pum failures?
I have an 07 335i sedan that I bought new in 2/07. My HPFP went out on me in June of 05 with 5000 miles on the car. Luckly I haven’t had this one fail but sometimes when I have to give it sudden throttle the car hesitates and almost misfires until I let off the gas. I had it in for serive today, oil change and a new rear brake sensor and I mentioned it, but in their test drive, aka beating on my car they found nothing. I did switch to the highest octane, I was using QuikTrip 89 before.
how did you HPP in 07 335 fail ins june of 05?
im sure you just mis wrote. just wanted to point it out.
anyway this may be something not related to the fuel pump. there are a few service bulletins that resemble something like your describing. cant say it is the same but they can be fixed by engine control unit program or a transmission control program. both would get programed at the same time. actually your whole car gets updated anytime its programed. they should have checked what you software level is and if it was not up to date. i would have programed your vehicle if the software was not up to date and informed you that i was not able to reproduce your complaint but have updated the software in you car and ask that you return if the problem returns. if it does further diagnosis can be done. its very common to not be able to reproduce cust complaints especially intermitent ones. most test drives are only around 5 miles unless more is needed. its extemely hard to reproduce complaints that seem to happen after long periods of driving. anyway i would have at least checked the software level and reprogramed if neccassary and informed you of the situation. its better than doing nothing and saying we cant reproduce. maybe it is possible you software was up to date. my dealer will have shop foreman test drive with customers in situations where reproducing a complaint can be difficult.
Just to follow up on bmwtechal’s comments and my 08 535xi experiences noted above. I should have added that the engine light, warning reduced power, displayed as we were traveling across western Nebraska on 5/29. Talked with BMW Assist and light did go off. Made it to Loveland, CO with intermittent power loss. On 6/2, dealer, in response to a directive, did a whole new software update. Fule pump problems started on 6/12 (fixed 6/14) and again on 6/17 as described above. So, in two weeks time, had software update HPFP and low pressure fuel pump sensor replaced.
I sure hope this solves the problem. A little gun shy on the open road in this wonderful “Driving Machine.” Have had great service response to my problems. My issues are not with service but with the manufacturing of a car that is marketed as this wonderful driving maching.
Warranty really doesn’t mean anything. There’s absolutely no excuse for a $45K+ automobile to have this problem. ZERO. It’s embarrassing to the owner and should be an embarrasment to BMW. I for one will either keep my late model BMW or transistion to another make which does not rely on direct injection. The NA motor BMW current offers doesn’t have sufficient power to push around our heavy sleds.
I had 2 pumps replaced within 12,000 miles and when the 3rd one was being replaced I had BMW of NA get involved. It’s called a Lemon Law here in California. They paid off my car and paid me my money back, including the $12K I put down as a down payment. Honda has problems, Toyota and yes BMW does too. But if you look at the bottom line, BMW’s are fun to drive, wonderful to look at, a head turner for sure and most importantly I would rather be in a BMW then any other car in an accident. Some of you out there that say that this car is 45 or 55K should not break down because of the price tag…. PLEASE!! Go look at Ferrari, Lambo and the Veyron records of repairs. Most people couldn’t afford to change one set of brake pads with rotors on some of those cars I just named. Be happy and quit bitching people. …shit happens. That’s why so many people out there think that people who drive BMW’s are rich snobs…so many people give BMW a bad name and that’s not cool. BMW is something that every car manufactorer wants to copy down to the handling which no one can. Lexus tries with the IS250, 350 and the IS F and again NO MATCH. Mercedes tried as well….came close but no cigar. Oh and yeah, try looking at Mercedes Benz…..they did away with the free maint. program to save money and their repair bills make BMW look like it’s cheap. How do I know? I own one of them too. First and last. :)
Tommy,
How did you ever get BMW to take the car back. My car is in for its 3rd fuel pump and I am thinking lemon law also. I honestly thought BMW just had to keep repairing.
Brad
Don’t waste your time with LEMON LAW!!! I was looking for a web site about a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT against BMW, I’m still looking. Lemon Law said BMW would only offer me $350.00 We said NO WAY!!! Then they said $600.00, NO, I’m on my 4th fuel pump, I see this problem as a “SAFETY ISSUE”, what happens if you’re out on a busy highway & the car stalls??? BMW, SOMETHING NEED TO BE DONE!!!!!!!
I called BMW of NA customer support and that’s how I got the ball rolling. I explained my experience and was very nice to each and everyone I had phone contact with. NO BITCHING from me what so ever. I told them that my welfare/safety as well as others is in jeopardy due to the problem and it repeats it self and that I did not want to contribute to my own possible accident and or being stuck in the middle of nowhere. They wrote all this down….passed it on…. someone called me….. I took the car in….they replaced the 3rd pump and decided that this car was getting too expensive to fix for BMW. I had the service advisor look at how much this actually cost BMW and I forgot the exact amount but I totally understand why they lemon lawed it without me even asking them too. I just bought a new BMW 3 Series yesterday and I made sure this car did not have a high pressure fuel pump in it. Hopefully this car will be more fun to drive then my 2007 335i. I have driven it once since yesterday and it’s one scary car. It’s the 2010 BMW M3. Geez-us it’s fast! Good luck to everyone out there who wants to just get out of these lousy fuel pumps situation. By the way….the N54 Engine is fine it’s just the damn pumps….I want you to all know that. Come 2012 when the new body style comes out I am sure BMW will have a new engine. Good luck everyone. Happy Thanksgiving. ~Tommy
I have a 2008 335xi and have had two HPFP replacements, one at 6000 miles, the most recent at 14200 miles. Wondering what 3-series models other than the M3 do not have an HPFP. What about the 328i?
My 2008 335i has been a complete nightmare: I was lucky to own two cars. 67 days in the shop; countless fuel pumps failures (low and high pressure) It’s obvious a few BMW reps viewed these comments, but be for real..there’s a difference in complaining or bitching when your car is junk and the vendor doesn’t back it up. People are just warning others of the poor craftsmanship. Everything in these comments are opinion; you don’t have to take any warning or opinion if not desired. For me, I prefer a 50K car to at least start; I guess that’s asking too much.
I have a 2009 Z4 Sdrive3.5 with about 2k miles. HPFP BMW Orange County has been great but I have no faith in this auto. This should not be a problem with these engines.
Son’t even get me started on the Nav.It sends me down a one way street the wrong way!
I had my 2008 335xi HPFP replaced at 18,500 miles , at the very first hint of trouble I took it to the dealership and they replaced it with one they had in stock , if they had not had one in stock the other option was to overnight it to Anchorage , as long as the order goes in before 1 PM AST , also the weatherstripping around the doors was showing wear and bingo they overnighted the replacement parts to Anchorage Alaska and I had my car back the next day , in the mean time I had the use of a 2009 335i , the Lithia BMW dealership in Anchorage Alaska is a first class operation . Ah Eastern Alaska and Western Canada where BMW’s can be unleashed and we can run them as the designers designed them to run , running unabated for 100’s of miles on the open road , my biggest worry is hitting a Moose and damaging my Bimmer .
My 4 month old 535 fuel pump just went bad with 7700 miles on the car. What gives.
Nothing is perfect , when I was logging in Southeast Alaska the 009 Madill yarders used Detroit Diesel engines , the weak link was the quill shaft that ran the blower , [yahoo Detroit Diesel 8 71 2 stroke] , the yarder was made by S.A. Madill of Namino British Columbia , he bought used tank carriages from the U.S. goverment to build his yarders on , after a period of time and advances the yarder was too heavy for the carriage and drive train and moving it was a risky deal , but they continued to build them and they were sold and shipped . A brand spanking new Cat D-10 broke one of the main under carriage componets under the strain of ripping frozen ground at a gold mine in the Koyukuk , the part weights almost as much as a 3 series BMW , the dealership sent some boys up and replaced the part with a new one after that the ripping componets started to show signs of strain so we reinforced the ripping unit with more steel , nothing is perfect , everthing breaks and has a weak point .
I bought a 2009 535xi and the other day my car died on the middle of the express lane on the I90 in Chicago due to the high pressure fuel pump. When I called BMW they told me that they cannot send a tow-truck because it is too dangerous. I am shocked. Now, the customer service is giving me the story that they have replaced and so nothing can be done. I am surprised that there is no class action lawsuit against BMW for selling its customers a bad car. I could have died on the highway. I think there should have been a recall. Obviously, I am disturbed and astonished with their stonewalling their customers. I guess their actuarial analysis suggests that it is better to pay for the death of one driver than replace the pump on all the cars.
I have a 2009 535I too that has had two HPFP in the last month; started with hesitate starting, then losing power while driving, then the check engine light. Got it back a week ago and it still doesn’t have the pick up it had when I brought it brand new in April. I called BMW NA also. Waiting to hear from them.
You want to hear this? Not the HPFP but the whole computer system on my 08 535xi. Car has been in the shop for two weeks. Have replaced the hub, I think they called it, reloaded and programmed all soft ware and still have not solved the problem. Since June 1, 19 days in the shop (see my comments above). Next step is to contact BMW North America. This wonderful car is not so wonderful. I do have to say, though, service and dealer responses to date have been excellent. Not a service problem but a product problem.
The HPFP was fixed immediately. I was having problems with the NAV (2009 Z4 35). The dealer was downloading software. I then got a call that the computer froze and the would have to order a new one from Germany and it could take 2 weeks. Not a problem. I then got a call from the Service Manager stating that production had stopped and there was not ETA. I was kinda upset.
The dealer in all of this has been behind me 100%. They ordered me a 2010 Z4 equiped the same way. They took the car to NA and the techs were able to recover the computer system, so I can drive it until the new one comes.
This was all the dealer. NA has been totally useless. One person tried to tell me the Nav is not BMS’s responsibility. He tried to tell me that tires are not covered. I asked him where is this stated. I asked him to tell me what page of the owner’s manual this is on? I told him I have read the owners manual and what he is telling me is FALSE. I went on to ask him if I have a problem with the buttons on the steering wheel do I have to go back to the company who produced the plastic?
Certain problems with the new NAv have been experienced by BMW personal. BMW is claming it is Teleatlas’s faoult and Teleatlas is claming it is BMW’s problem.
i cant wait to see what happens with the new car.
BMW = Bring More Wrenches ! I had a Subaru GT Legacy for 3 years , the front seat are horrible , the raidio-air condition – heater unit computer are all in one and that crashed several times , Subaru = SUper Bad Ass Racing Unit !
I wonder how many lawsuits the N54 has across the nation?
Stop complaining ! If you do not like the BMW line of cars sell it and buy an Audi , oops then you will be on an Audi blog complaining about the short commings of that line of automobiles . I run my BMW 335xi down the coast along Turnagain Arm of Cook Inlet and into the mountians of the Kenai Peninsula weekly or sometimes I’ll head to the Matanuska Glacier racing my Ultimate Mountian Machine through the mountian canyons of the Matanuska River , this machine performs flawlessly , the only problem has been corrected [HPFP] I have spent most of my adult working life in the field doing remote / in town construction , oil rigs , mining operations , logging operations , fishing in Prince William Sound or the Bering Sea , always working with or in close proxcimity of heavy machinery , everthing has a breaking point , cables break , engines blow-up , transmissions strip out , tracks break , huge cast iron compotents break etc etc — most of you guys sit in your office and do not have a clue about how mechanical things work and the stresses placed on them in different situations , you putter around in your shinny Bimmer and complain about minor issues .Guess why in the engine room of the F/T [factory trawler] or C/P [catcher processor] are spare engine parts , pistons , rings , valves , gaskets , berings etc etc , I have worked on Wartsila , Cat , MAN , Detroit Diesel engines and every engine has design flaws / things that need improvement , our attitude is replace the part and get it started — NO SNIVILING — Lawsuits , ha what a loser !
Ha..ha..lordy Paul; that grunt work must be bothering you something fierce. You do have quite the resume, but you did not say you were an astronaut. Therefore…..oh well. I believe they were just making a statement. Looks like Consumer Reports completely agrees with them. Big ol’ black mark for the fuel system for repeated failures. LOL…50K…now on this point calling people loser…YEP..especially bought a 335i or 535i and not a sweet Lexus. Gotta go…late for my manicure.
Paul, while i can appreciate that you use yor vehicles very hard and may not think anyone else knows anything about cars and BMW owners all wear suits…You may know your equipment but apparently you dont know this car because then you would know that The fuel pump failing is hardly minor, and it is not failing under heavy work loads or hard use they go randmly and not always in a safe place. Sometimes they go as your cutting across three lanes of traffic and then the car goes limp. And then the manufacturer denies the problem for a year before they do anything about it. If you like having the screws put to you , have a great time, but when I buy something i expect it to work, I cant afford to throw money away, and I dont just sit there and take BS from companies that dont deliver what they say. (and I dont wear a suit) Now if i only had somecheese to go with my whine.
My car, 2007 335i, has been repaired 3 times, and now needs to be taken in for a 4th time. This is the 3rd 3 series BMW I’ve owned, and will almost certainly be the last. This time I’ll tell them I want a different car, though. We’ll see what kind of response I get.
Has anyone else done this? Asked for a replacement of some kind, i.e. a car that doesn’t have this issue?
Any reports on how they handle it?
Honestly I believe they have so many issues with this car; they can’t handle complaints. You will most likely need to get a lawyer (which is no cost to you) and go after BMW NA. Sorry, but you’re probably one of many. Good hunting…it’ll probably take a year to complete the complaint, but at least you’ll get some money back or resolution. Others will get nothing by just complaining to BMW NA or the dealer. You should take a look at the sales for various vendors this year to explain the happiness people have been relaying on the web.
I have had may Rolex watches , I sold them all after the hands fell off due to the repated re-coil of my .454 Casull Ruger Super Red Hawk , my sisters BMW 7 series caught fire and burned to a crisp [electricial issues] she got another one , I had a turbo Porsche that leaked oil like a screaming jimmy — Detroit Diesel — I purchased my 335xi with the full knowledge of these issues and I’am going to get a new one as soon as the warranty runs out or maby sooner , maby I’ll do a Dinan S2 conversion to this one , these machines are so complex that they will have issues so one has to understand this to really enjoy and be happy with this type of automoblie , if you do not like it sell it and make BMW go bankrupt or respond to the loss of market share . This great constituital republic was built on doers and not complainers , one of you unemployed engineers should design a new HPFP and show BMW how its done !
OOPS spelled Constitutional Republic wrong , you see even I make a mistake once in a while so did BMW with this HPFP , will they correct it , yes , what kind of dialog has traspired between BMW and the vendor of the HPFP ? Will they ever make a part for BMW again , yes . Wells Fargo is a bank with issues , people get mad at them everday and storm out vowing never to deal with them again , yesterday — today — tommorrow — from a historical prepective Bimmers are fine automoblies and Wells Fargo is a decent bank — No man is all things to all men — Abe Lincoln — , this could be some unemployed engineers big break , design a new HPFP and sell it to BMW and make a million or two ! — my real interest are big semi-auto pistols , some parts are very scarse so I and found a man in Detroit with the skills and machinery to make these parts , in a few months a few hundred pistol owners will only have to submitt a C.C. number and how many do you want , solutions !
Here’s my solution to the entire mess. Look this engine has so many problems with the pumps BMW is so pissed off cause it’s costing them and arm and a leg. Most people don’t go reading blogs just before buying their new car. I use to sell Honda’s, Toyota’s, Lexus, BMW’s and all of them have problems here and there but this one is a HUGE problem for BMW and I’m sure it’s embarrising and hurts them tremendously. The service advisor even told me that this is a big problem BMW is dealing with everyday. So I bought another 3 series but I didn’t get another 335i that’s for sure. I am still waiting for the car to be shipped because it’s been built and on the ship for 3 weeks now. It’s the all new 2010 M3. I know there are no issues with any pump on this bad boy. Oh and I have never driven the new M3. When I sold them they were 6 cyl and heavier. This has the V8 and it’s the lightest V8 in the world and lighter them the last 6 cyl. If anything goes wrong with this car I will jump on this board and let you guys know. But the 335, 535 and the the Z4 with the twin turbo engine should be avoided. Only if the general public knew about the pump issues…. It would cost BMW millions upon millions of dollars in the present and the future. Good luck to everyone out there trying to get a new car. All I did btw was call BMW NA and talked to a rep and did some explaining not complaining. If you bitch they will blow you off, it pays to be nice. They paid my car off and wrote me a check for the payments I made for over 2yrs.
Who cares if it would cost BMW an ARM & LEG, if they would have installed good fuel pumps instead of defective ones, we all wouldn’t be here complaining!!!
My car stalled, luckly I wasn’t driving on a six lane highway. I wonder how many accidents BMW have had because of this WELL KNOW PROBLEM???
By the way…..I didn’t “BITCH” until my 3rd fuel pump failed & many, many mile to the service dept.
Ah now only if they made the M-3 in AWD I would get one also !
I bought my 2008 535i a year ago and today I just had my HPFP go out on me on the highway with 13k miles on it. I should have known the indicators because my car took a long time to start the other day and car jerks sometimes when you start it. I should have had BMW come pick up my car instead of driving to their service and made me rent a Toyota since they were out of loaner cars. Hopefully they will refund me. If the HPFP is replaced more than 3 times is this considered a “Lemmon” and is BMW liable to replace your car? I did not spend 60k to go through this inconvenient issue.
Don’t waste your time with Lemon Law. It;s a joke!!! If, and I mean IF, they get an offer from the manufacturer, it;s starts out at only a few hundred bucks, that won’t even cover the gas for running your car so they can inspect it. I was told BMW will NEVER give you another car!!! Then comes the FINE PRINT LOL they take their commission out of YOUR judgement.
Thanks for posting this, MG. Lemon laws vary from state to state. Here’s a site with some information – choose your state from the drop-down menu, or you can simply google. http://www.yourlemonlawrights.com/23-news.aspx This site is for a lawyer that handles such cases, though I personally prefer not to work through attorneys unless I absolutely have to.
I very much appreciate your post, though, because I just got my car back, 2007, 335i, after taking it in because it was cranking and cranking before starting. They replaced the fuel pump, again. Since it has conked out on me on the highway before, it helps to know that these things can give warning signals.
Lynda, if you don’t mind me asking, what state do you live in?? Our Lemon Law hasn’t done a thing for us.
Hi MJ,
I’m in CA. Have to say, I don’t really know what will happen, though I will report on this board. It’s worth reading Tommy’s post, above. It sounds like he got a good resolution with BMW NA.
You’re probably right that a class action suit makes sense (I’m not a lawyer), and yet my guess is that that would take a long long time, and the lawyers may or may not get as good a resolution for us, as going direct. If you want to go that way, though, take a look at the site I posted on my Nov. 17 post.
Good Luck.
Ever since I knew what a car was I wanted a BMW. Finally on my 50th Birthday my husband bought me a new 135I Conv. It was one of the happiest days of my life. Sad to say my new car soon experienced the fuel limping problem. Currently my BMW has been setting at the BMW shop for three weeks with no promise of a date to be fixed. Mean while I continue to make good on my end. At this point I don’t think I could even sale the car…worse yet, my son is placing a order on a M3. After reading this website I am going to continue begging him to reconsider. Maybe I’ll offer to pay him to reconsider. So very disappointed in my life time dream!!!
Valerie, to be fair, I’m pretty sure that the M3 does not have the same engine design as the 135I, or the 335i (which is what I have). You and/or your son should check into that fully, before he buys anything. I’ve also now been told that BMW has (finally) changed the engine design for the 2010 models of the cars that did have this issue.
That said, I’m now in the process of having my car taken back, via the Lemon law. It’s unlikely that my replacement car will be a BMW.
Like you, I’m disappointed with this experience; I really thought I’d have this car for years. Oh well.
I’m looking for a website, the website would be for a CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT AGAINST bmw FOR MANY, MANY FUEL PUMP PROBLEMS.
Apparently I;m not the only one with this terrible problem??? As I said before, this is A SAFETY ISSUE!!!!! My 2005 Z4 has had fuel pump problems since I bought it new. It’s been changed 3 times already, not counting all the wasted trips for service only to hear them say : IF WE CAN’T HEAR IT, WE CAN’T FIX IT” I’m still having a FUEL PUMP problem. My car only has 13,000 miles on it. It’s embarrassing & dissgusting.
MJ, sorry to hear of the problems. You definitely just need to contact a lemon law lawyer. This is probably BMW’s biggest blow-out; they’ll fight “tooth and nail” to send you to a long wait for nothing. Being the nice guy gets nothing; only BMW representatives blow that noise just to save some jobs and money. They’ve done soooooooo little; they have forced their customers to resort to court. Think about it; 4 years and no answers yet, bad consumer reports, looks like they have to redesign the cars. They blew-off the 2009 and up customers for the fuel pump warranty. Believe what you know and see; you have a 50K towable item; get your money back. BMW NA needs to take some responsibility for the N54 owners and the car.
Lemon Law and stick it out; go straight to court; do not take any offers unless it’s a buyback. If you go to court, the court decides the buyback or compensation…not BMW NA. Of course BMW will not offer as little as possible until they are in the court room. Who knows, the judge may own one of these lemons…..LOL. If this bad customer relations keeps going, at least you gave it a shot; all this junk BMW started will probably boost Audi which is fine. It might be good to have BMW fire some personnel to get the right personnel who will at least try to fix matters
Trust me…Lemon Law is NOT the way to go!!!! It has been said that if you go to a jury trial, you will probably lose because of the economy. If you are fortunate enough to drive a BMW & the jurer’s have to take a bus to courthouse, are they going to be in your corner??? NO!!!! They will be against you.
BMW has to step up to the plate. My car was flat bedded to service center once again yesterday. Going on 4th pump.
O.K. Don’t lemon law the car. Let BMW do that for you. I did not even ask for mine to be lemon lawed. Express deep concern for the safety of your family as well as yourself. Tell them that you intend to buy another BMW but just not one with a turbo engine. What comes around usually goes around. People can tell how nice or what kind of a dick someone can be by their tone over the phone whether they swear or not at them. Be like….. Look I almost cause a horrific accident with my sister’s 2 kids in the back seat and not only did the car stall at blank speed but it has been a traumatic driving experience you wish upon no one. You don’t up and make threats of hey I bought a $40 – $50 thousand dollar ride why is BMW not building these things like they should be?!!! Bitching get’s peope no where, complaining like you have better things to do then spending time at the BMW dealership is an inconvience to people . Pointing out that this causes you great concern as a possible and a foreseeable future accident just waiting to happen to you and your family hits home to them. Trust me on this one.
Tommy, I’ve been very patient with BMWNA, I had my car to Homecoming 3 times, 2 of those times my fuel pump made noise. If you’ve ever been to Homecoming, you know about their “TECH TENTS” I had mine in their tent 2 times, they put their machine on the Z, said they would call my service dept (NEVER HAPPENED) both times. I’ve called NJ many times only to be pawned off from person to person.. My car (as I type) is in the service dept for guess what? A FUEL PUMP PROBLEM!!!!!!!!! They called me today to say “we heard the fuel pump noise and we’re going to put a new regulator on & try that 1st”. You’re last sentence doesn’t seem to really matter to BMWNA.
I’ve got a 2009 135 and it’s on fuel pump #4. The last time it was in (in Nov.), the dealership approached ME and asked if I wanted to engage in buy-back discussions, including the possibility of swapping out the car for a new one. They told me to get BMW NA involved, which I did. I played nice with all of them and told them how much I love my BMW, how I’ve owned them before and they were great, how I’m concerned about this recurring problem, etc. They’ve proposed putting me in a 2010, and THEY WANT ME to kick in 8K!! They’re telling me that it’s for the “use” of the car for the year, and that BMW NA is “participating” with another 10K in the transaction. I’ve made 6K in payments on the car already (plus my down payment) – doesn’t that represent my “use”?? None of this makes any sense. TOMMY- did you go this route first or did you go right to reimbursement? And they didn’t charge you anything for the “use” of the car for 2 years?
Update from CA. BMW NA has agreed to take my car back – I just dropped off the documents they need (registration, copy of sales contract, etc.) to further the process along.
That said, I’m concerned about exactly what Rob is talking about – I expect them to offer me far less than I paid. And, I haven’t firmly decided on what to buy as a replacement car (though I’m leaning towards an Infiniti G37).
My best guess from what Tommy has written above (my car is also a 2007 335i), is that he has the advantage of having financed the car. I did not, I paid cash, so I’m just out.
Yes, it’s true that I’ve used the car for nearly 3 years, but it has been in the shop more than should have been necessary, and I’m still in the position of having to buy a new car, due to BMW’s faulty design/manufacturing, etc.
Just to be clear, I agree with Tommy about the approach to get them to take the car back, but I also understand why some would call for a class action suit.
Actually, I’ll be surprised if someone doesn’t initiate one.
In the meantime, I’m going through the process, and we’ll see what happens.
Let me explain how the process works on a Lemon Law Buy Back. Let say your car is 2, 3 or 4 yrs old and you have had this problem with the pumps for as long as you can remember…. This is how BMW calculates how much to pay you back.
BMW looks at your service records to see when the first time you went in for this problem was. The secret is the miles. If your first issue with the fuel pump was at 3,000 then your car was considered in working condition until that time, so there for they decide not to pay you for the usage that was defective free from the same problem. So you bought a new car and for 3,000 miles it did not have a fuel pump issue ( or whatever you are lemoning it for ) and the problem came up and now you have 15,000 miles on it and it still has the problem over and over again then it’s time to buy it back. Sorry if that was a repeat of what I just basically said.
I talked to a service advisor and he said he has seen pumps go out at the first 500 miles and BMW realizes that they have a huge problem on their hands. My 1st pump was around the 2,000 mile range so I got back 98% of my money back. My car was a lease. It really doesn’t matter if it’s a buy or a lease. I feel bad for you guys cause it seems like most of you are getting the run around. I hope that someone has the balls to get together 25 people ( I believe that’s considered a class action lawsuit ) and sue BMW and get this resolved. What if this happens on the new body style coming in a few years??? NOT COOL. Good luck to all of you guys out there with this awful fuel pump problem.
Thanks for the info, Tommy. Interestingly, the first time the fuel pump was replaced on my car was on the recall, at nearly 19,000 miles. It will be interesting to see what they offer me. It failed then, at 27,000, 30,000, and 33,300 miles making the forth time.
Also, fwiw, I’ve been told – by someone from Dinan, that they have completely changed the fuel pump design for the 2010 models.
(Though I’m not totally decided, it’s likely my next car will not be a BMW – for lots of reasons, in addition to this total experience.)
Tommy,
You mentioned before that you were getting a new M3, and that BMW was taking your 335ci back. How did you/are you handling the interim? Are you keeping the 335ci until the M3 gets here, or ?
They’ve agreed to take my 335i back, but I’m not totally clear on how they handle this, if they’ll give you more time to get another car, etc. In my case, I’m not getting another BMW, which may or may not make a difference.
Thanks for your input.
Tommy, I hear what you’re saying. My Z started having problems at 900 miles, I bought the car new, paid cash in full. I only have 13,000 miles on it now, I have probably 1600 miles over the 4 yrs just in travel back & forth to the service dept. BMW of NA can check my claims. I had to buy extended warranty & am I glad I did, because Wednesday BMW assist had to send a flat bed to pick it up once again for a fuel pump problem, the service dept said they would try a regulator first & hope that solves the problem, keep in mind this is now my 5th actual fuel pump problem that BMW could actually hear, all the other times it was in for the same problem, but couldn’t duplicate the problem. BMW of NA has NOT been in touch with me. My car stalled last week, thank God I wasn’t on a busy highway. This is why it’s back in the service dept. I’ve been upset for 4 yrs with this car & BMW. Thanks for all the posts on here.
MJ, you may want to call them, i.e. BMW NA. That’s what I did. (800) 831-1117. I don’t know what state you’re in, but here in CA 4 times in for the same repair, or a safety issue are two of the criteria.
Especially since your first issue was at 900 miles, you could be in good shape, ultimately. Just my suggestion, but, like Tommy, I think it best to *be nice* to the person you speak with at BMW NA, and tell them you are worried about the safety of the car, since it has stalled out on you.
My car lost power, though it didn’t totally stall (that time) while I was doing 80 mph on a CA freeway where there was no shoulder, just a barrier, on the left – I was in the left hand lane. I was very frightened, and after that began seriously to think about doing what was necessary to get them to take the car back.
HTH
Lynda, I’m in PA. When I called the service dept after my car was on the flat bed truck I told them how the car stalled, they said they would put the computer on it to check, my question to them was, why didn’t the computer tell them that my fuel pump was defective all those times it was in for that particular problem? Why did they send the car back, saying they didn’t hear the noise knowing BMW has had this problem for yrs.? It’s just been very aggravating & frustrating dealing with this situation. I’m glad you got BMW to listen to you.
MJ, it definitely sounds like you’ve not had good service at the dealer, in addition to the flawed car. I’ve been fortunate to have a really good service guy, and it sounds like Tommy did too. That said, I do think they thought they’d totally fixed my car the first couple of times – then it went bad again.
You’re certainly right about the aggravation and frustration in dealing with the whole thing. For me, though, dealing through BMW NA is working, though I don’t expect to get as much money as I think I should.
There are tradeoffs here, though, and I still think dealing with courts and lawyers becomes even more time consuming, and aggravating. Each of us has to decide if that’s worth the time, etc.
I test drove a couple of Infinitis yesterday, G7S – while I’m still mixed about not having a BMW, that’s probably the way I’ll go.
MJ,we have a 09 535xi wagon with 12400 mi. bought nov. 09. After five months, sputtering occured 2x and dealer said they had to “reprogram computer” never saying anything about the fuel pump. For the past few weeks, the car seemed to have a week battery turning over 3x as long as normal. This week low engine power light came on and dealer spent 1.5 days with BMWNA inorder to get “permission” to replace the HP fuel pump. Went to pick up car 6:00pm 12/10/09 and as I leeft lot, reduced engine power light came on. It’s back at dealer 5 min. after pump being replaced. I’ll find out mon. what is next.
Deb, sorry to hear about your problem with your BMW, please let us know what they tell you. What did they say when you went back to the service dept?
Some how we all need to let BMW know EXACTLY how we feel about the problems with their cars!!!!!!!!!!!
Deb, you have suffered a common problem with all N54 models. Please file a complaint if you have not already:
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
I filed with the NHTSA last month. They give you a case number, but I haven’t seen anything since.
What does everyone’s BMW service dept say to you when you take it back over & over for the same problem? I know one thing, it doesn’t look good on us if & when we go to sell the car.
Normally my dealer just says bad gasoline and blames the customer. I mean, we know the the car is junk because we drive it, but BMW does not really care after they have your money. I already went to the Audi dealer; those guys already know all the issues. If anyone thinks for one moment the car has any real resale value, they are dreaming. The complaint for the NHTSA was to protect the owners for 2009 and up owners The NHTSA probably will not do anything until somebody dies. Any normal person who has stalled because of the HPFP doesn’t need convincing for the safety issue; somehow the I think the gov’ment is different.
Got my car back tody and was told that when the HPFP was installed, the tech damaged a fuel line (crimped) or something. I let them have the car to drive over the weekend and now it seems fine. When I got the paper work on the problem it was a copy of the first work order so I had them write a new order and discripton of what “went wrong” the second time. So far so good. The dealer has been helpful during this problem so I don’t what else they can do for now.
I have a 2010 5 series and had my first fuel pump replaced at 5500 miles and replaced again at 8000 miles. I tried to contact BMW NA and was told that they do not consider this above average repairs and there is nothing they can do at this time. I do not feel safe driving my car – I never know when the power will go out again. I relayed this to BMW and they were not concerned. I was told there is nothing to be done until i have an open repair order. Does anyone have a name of a person at BMW who is more helpful?
Hi DN,
I can give you the name of the person I spoke with, Nate, @ 1(800) 831-1117. However, my HPFP was replaced four times, and it was after that that they agreed to take the car back. I know that four repairs on the same issue is one of the criteria of the Lemon Law here in CA. Safety issues are also one of the criteria too, though.
Just as an update for others who are following this story, they’ve agreed to take the car back, but I’m still waiting for that to actually happen. I’ve been told it usually takes two weeks, they then look at the car and cut a check on the spot.
That makes it a bit of a challenge to then turn around and get a new car – unless, of course, one chooses another BMW – which I am *not* doing.
I’ll post when something actually happens.
In the second week of October I got the call to go to a remote site here in Alaska , so the Bimmer went into storage , no indoor heated storage was avabile so I had to park it outside covered for two months , I came home today and it’s 2 below zero here in Anchorage , the past week it had been 15 below zero , so everthing is throughly frozen , after clearing two feet of snow off the car and re-connecting the battery’s negative terminal I hit the start button and bingo it started in less then one second , after a 10 minute warm – up I was racing through the icy streets of Anchorage . Later on to get better aquainted with my new girlfriend we drove down the inlet and into the Chugach Mountians to view the Northern Lites , moon roof open , clear and cold [9 below zero according to the car] racing my BMW into the mountians proved once again it’s the Ultimate Mountian Machine ! New HPFP at 18,500 and no problems since .
I’ve got a 2009 335Ci that is truely a weekend driver, just got word today that BMW will be replacing the high pressure fuel pump! The car is 6 months old and has 2750 miles on it. I am very dissapointed in BMW quality or lack of and frustrated that an expensive car that get driven on the weekends is have major mechanical failures!
Oh My !!!
My 2008 535i is starting to jerk whenever I take my foot off the break on a stop light. And it took a long time to start a few days ago. These were the same indicators that happened before my high pressure fuel pump went out on me and the engine light came on while driving on the freeway. Now I am hesitant to get on the freeway untill I take my car in for service next week to find out what the problem is. This is second round. Does anyone here experience these same issues?
I did not experience the jerking, but I *did* experience the slow starts. My 2007 335i kept that up for a week or two, ’till I had time to get it to the dealer. They tried another fix, and then tested the car but the ‘other fix’ didn’t work. So they replaced the HPFP for the forth time.
After that, I contacted BMW NA (service rep gave me contact phone no., etc.) and they agreed to take the car back. That transaction is due to be completed early next week. I’ll post an update when it’s done.
Well done Lynda; I would have to call that an excellent Christmas present for all of your troubles. The timing was excellent; a friend told me the fuel injectors are on back-order too. Enjoy the shopping for a new G37 or possibly an Audi…??
Oh MG; it’s a software issue for the NIC.
Chris whats the NIC? these were the same signs that happened before my HPFP went out on me. Is this not a fuel Pump issue, the jerking?
No I don’t think so. The trans would bump or kind of do a small “jolt” forward after depressing the brake for a period of time….such as sitting at a stop light. I am not saying your fuel pump may be good; just have a look at the article; it can also bump when the car is coming to a stop.
SI B 24 03 08
Automatic Transmission July 2008
Technical Service
This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B24 03 08 dated June 2008.
designates changes to this revision
SUBJECT
335i, 535i with N54 and 6HP19TU – Jolt and Delay when Pulling Away
MODEL
E90, E92, E93 (335i) with N54 and 6HP19TU from 12/06 up to 09/07
E60, E61 (535i) with N54 and 6HP19TU from 03/07 up to 03/08
SITUATION
The customer may complain of a delayed engagement and a harsh jolt when accelerating from a stop.
The situation occurs only during the engine warm-up phase (cold engine), and can not be reproduced in the Sport Mode.
CAUSE
EGS software (unfavorable NIC – Neutral Idle Control calibration)
SOLUTION
On a customer complaint basis only, check the vehicle’s integration level.
If the integration level is:
* On E9x vehicles – E89X-07-06-520 or lower
* On E6x vehicles – E060-07-09-530 or lower
Reprogram and recode the complete vehicle with a current Progman version (target levels are E89X-07-09-518 or E060-08-03-510, respectively, for E9x and E6x vehicles).
WARRANTY INFORMATION
Covered under the terms of the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
Defect Code:
24 00 33 98 00
End of this Chapter, for me.
Today, BMW NA took my car back, and I was handed a check for approximately 92% of the original MSRP. The whole process took longer than usual – so I’m told, partially because they were short people due to the holidays, and partially because of an option I chose.
The process went like this: 1) I called BMW NA, and made the request that they take the car back. 2) They investigated, and got back to me about 10 days later, saying they would take the car back. 3) about a week after that I received a call with a dollar amount – they asked if that amount was acceptable to me, and I said yes. Presumably, if you negotiate, this would take longer. 4) About a week later I received another call telling me the name of the woman who would be contacting me; they hire an outside company to do much of the work. 5) She called and we set up an appointment to meet at my dealer, with a dealer rep, the manager of the service dept. 6) We met, she inspected the car. My car had scratches on two bumpers, and the windshield had to be replaced. I agreed to pay the dealer the amount required to repair the bumpers, but not to do the windshield. The windshield was covered by my insurance, for a $100 deductible, and the dealer’s price was more than $1200. So I took the car back and had the windshield repaired. They also inspect the tires, btw, and want the original manuals, and keys, etc. None of those were an issue for me.
7) We made another appointment, for today, and they inspected the windshield, etc. They had me sign a document basically saying I had no further claims related to the car, and that document was notarized. I received the check, and went home to deposit it. They also gave me a ride home using the dealer’s shuttle.
In the meantime, I purchased a 2009 G37S Infiniti, sedan, stick shift (that was hard to find.) Bought the car on Christmas eve. The Infiniti drives well, sounds wonderful, and has a 97 rating for reliability according to Consumers. I still haven’t totally decided if I like driving it as much as the BMW. But, I know it won’t die on me, on the freeway – that’s important. I just need to drive it more on curves, and totally get used to the different clutch. It is definitely fun to drive.
If I can answer questions, contact me directly. Go to my site, securityrealitycheck.com and get my email address there. Put BMW in the subject line.
Good luck to all!!
BMW has problems with ALL 135, 335 and 535 engine and of course the same goes for the Z4 ….If it has the twinturbo then it’s got the problem. Sucks but that’s the honest truth. My new M3 is just fine that God but believe it or not the car is soooooo fast it scares me. I got on it the other day after breaking it in and I floored it for just what seemed like 10 seconds or so and I was at 110 mph on a street that’s 40mph. That is just crazy. Thank God it’s in the mountain area and it was 4am. But anyways, BMW is coming out with the new 3 and 5 series that will have 400 hp twin turbos which I want to get and I wonder if they are going to have that huge issue with the fuel pumps. If they do I will sue them in open and public forum/.court and make them pay dearly. Sounds rough but you can’t keep screwing the consumer and claiming that you’re the badest ladest and greatest thing in the world when you’re not. Hope everybody get’s out of their twin turbo cars in one piece and get’s into another nice ride whether it’s a BMW or not.
Hey Tommy,
Your posts have been very much appreciated, by me, and, I’m sure, others too.
The internet will, sadly, always have a few trolls who are best, IMO, ignored.
Best to you,
Lynda
You will sue in open court ! You sound like a real scumbag , a snake in the grass laying and waiting . Yey by your own words you are a problem also –doing 110 mph in a 40 mph zone — typical , just typical !
You can only screw the consumer for so long genius before someone steps up and takes massive action otherwise BMW or any other company won’t change…..You get it. It’s not about the money it’s about making things right. I hate when companies cut corners or don’t address something until someone is hurt big time or someone dies…..Does FORD mean anything to you wise ass?? How many people died in their cars before they did millions of recalls? You think I make this shit up? Yes I speed all the time since I was 16 yrs of age. Over 22 yrs of speeding and everything is calculated….there is risk for everything. I took my chances going that fast for 5 to 10 seconds and that was that and I slowed down. How else can you test the speed of a new M3? What was I going to hit a tree? Nope no trees for miles. Hit a kid? Nope open area for miles just mountains and cactus. No homes, no buildings, no other cars, no schools, no nothing. Yep I took that huge risk. But thanks for the feedback.
I read these comments and time after time the dealership , the factory reps have all steped up to the plate and done the honourable thing , so to even talk about sueing them is totaly out of line and the last refuge for a true scumbag — if you do not like BMW and there line of cars avoid them like the plague , but to threaten to sue ., ha ! — In 2003 4 guys at a construction sight started to mouth off me over my last name , as if I have control of a goverments decisions because I have a French last name , the French goverment and there decision not to invade Iraq , I was born in North America you morons so what has this got to do with me I had to ask ? Anyway after 3 months of listing to them and there stupid bullshit I walked into the IGA deli and used my size to knock Ron down and I put the boots to him and then slaped Brian to the ground as the other 2 [ Marty and David ] ran off like a pair of scared rabbits , later in the day the Alaska State Troopers showed up and after a year in and out of court [6 court hearings] having to listen to these sniviling bitches at the hearings was punishment enough not mention the thousands of dollars in lawyer fees , with threats to sue for hospital fees by the “VICTIMS” it was over . I had won ! Several people had warned them to back off and avoid me like the plague , and everthing would be OK , or suffer the fate of Big Paul Joseph one of 8 children of Evariste and Elizabeth . French – Canadien folk right off the farms of Southern Ontario , my father taught us how to take care of our own bussiness .So if you do not like BMW sell it and move on but to threaten to sue , ha ! , I love my Bimmer and to even think of sueing my racial brothers the Germans would be an unforgivable sin ! These are fine kin folk to deal with . To understand that read and understand history you moron ! — BMW THE ULTIMATE MOUNTIAN MACHINE ! –
You own a BMW M 3 , yet your also ready to sue them ? I may be just some dumb country boy but it sounds like your a two faced P.O.S. I looked at the new Audi S 4 and its a fine well crafted machine but I really love the BMW 335xi , so it will be a new 3 series in 2010 or 2011 , guys like you are the problem with this once great powerful country , always sniviling about something or playing the part of the abused victim . Every person . company , goverment has made mistakes , some recover some fail , BMW has survied a whole lot more then this , a fine example of teutonic machinery ! BMW has a long proud history , from a culture that has lasted thousands of years .Good times , bad times , wars , famines , social upheaval BMW has survived ———–BMW ———– the ultimate driving machine———-
Well, looks like BMW is finally being sued over the turbo-lag issue V29.2 everyone was complaining about. Too bad they did not step-up and immediately accept responsibility for the issue when everybody’s brother complained. It’s just a shame when BMW NA and the dealers did not listen. Of course the same thing for the fuel pump issue; nobody stepped-up as usual until two years down the road; no resolution yet. Now in process for four years….hummmm. Nothing is worse than having used junky refurbed pumps because of laziness to fix an issue; then people wonder why they have three failures in a row. It would be nice if the dealers would just fix the car instead of fighting the customer to fix it. What is even worse is when the customer has to tell the service manager how to fix it or what to fix.
Yo, Chris. Do you have a link on this story?
Thnx,
Lynda
You bet, but it’s for two different states:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2009/12/ca_bmw.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17233560/Bmw-Law-Suit-Hpfp
Looks like Cali and Arkansas have a big issue with it, but this junk has been around soooooooooo longggggg, it was bound to explode. Looks like there is a lot of confusion because the software affects acceleration; then the fuel pump sticks it to you. Kind of makes me wonder if it may be related…who knows……but just by looking around the web; it’s definitely a problem. I checked out the Audi dealer again and they were laughing because they knew why the bimmer customer was trying a trade-in. Everybodies brother knows by now; what makes it worse is they know it’s still ongoing.
Lynda, I’m happy for you. I went to BMW NA from the start, they wouldn’t help me at all. They kept pawning me off to someone else. Who ever said to sue, that it wouldn’t cost you anything, sorry, but you’re wrong. The attorny (even Lemon Law) get their 331/3 % right off the top. They will never tell you that. They make you think the company will pay all fees, not true. I own a 2005 Z4, 13,000 miles, it’s had 4 fuel pumps on so far….last month it was flatbedded to the nearest BMW dealer (60 miles) one way, they heard the noise after sitting for 2 days & ordered the parts. My car stalled also. Right now, I’m kind of in a holding pattern, meaning I haven’t signed any papers to settle only because they haven’t offered enough . Before anyone tells me off, let me say again, MY CAR STARTED HAVING PROBLEMS AT 900 MILES. I’m interested in articles about BMW & all the problems that people are complaining about. Thanks
Can anyone definitively say that a 2010 328i cannot have HPFP problems because either the car doesn’t have an HPFP or twin-turbo design? I am in the process of attempting to exit my 36-month lease of a 2008 335xi which has had two replacement HPFPs, one at 6000mi, the recent one at 14200mi. I was told by BNW N.A. rep that the 328i could have problems, in fact, the entire “3″ line, not just the 335. And a contributor to Edmunds.com complains of mutiple fuel pump failures with a 328i. Here is my last post on Edmunds, citing my confusion about whether to substitute a 2010 328i if I’m successfull in having my lease terminated or substitute a 328i:
As I just wrote, two trusted mechanics with many years of experience, and employed by BMW told me the problem is with the HPFP, which is not present in a 328i. Your experience implies that it’s the “i” or injection system or something closely connected to the fuel pump causing the problem. Which really concerns me because it implies fundamental engineering flaws in what is a perennial “category” champion. I have searched for, but not found any complaints on the Internet about the 328i fuel pump until I read your post #4494 and the latest one. The mechanic who owns your model was and has always been very frank with me, so I accept his opinion that “I won’t have a fuel pump problem with the 328i,” but read of your experience with bewilderment. Well, first things first–I’ll keep you all posted of my attempts to retire my 36-month lease after 24 months
When I was investigating my options, prior to BMW NA buying back my 2007 335i, I called a manager at Dinan BMW, http://www.dinancars.com/ on the recommendation of a friend. He specifically told me that the 328s and 330s did not have this issue.
OTOH, he also told me that BMW had done a redesign of the 2010 335s, and yet people have reported issues with HPFP on the 2010 car on this blog.
That’s my best info, HTH.
To clarify: the driver with the mutiple failed fuel pumps on his 2009 328i, is not a 2007 or 2008. Therefore he does not have the 120,000 mi warranty.
Sprinter, if you mean me not having the extra warranty, I already know that, I had to purchase extended warranty, thank goodness I did, already used it on the 4th [ump. No thanks to BMW.
MJ, the driver I refer to on the Edmunds board has the handle “romboggie,” and wrote:
“My HPFP happened on my 2009 328i so I think the problem is across the board. I am driving scared now hoping that I don’t get stranded again. When my lease is up, I am going to get out of the 3 series family and purchase a 5 series. ”
I feel for you having to pay additional money to “play defense” when you have every right to the same warranty extension. You should be refunded that money, and see my last post for further comments from me. I just hope N.A. doesn’t give me the runaround because I’ve only had two replacements, while several of you are up to four!
No wonder this economy is in shambles all you people do is complain and snivil about your sad state of affairs rather then taking the bull by the horns and fixing your problems you snivil and complain endlessly , if you do not like this line of automobiles sell it and buy one that you can be happy with . BMW has steped up to the plate and has worked to fixed the problem , yet this is not good enough for most of you , sell it and move on and stop sniviling and be happy , its really quiet simple to figure out . 86 the problem and bingo no more problem . I had several friends of mine from Eastern Europe read this blog and we fail to see the point of your complaints . We did conclude however that most of you like to glorified your suffering as self proclaimed victims . I’am waiting for the 400 hp 3 series to be issued , now that is worth talking about !
If you understood the meaning of character, honor and what defines a proud tradition you would cease writing like an apologist for BMW.
A consumer paying a premium for a suposed superior auto is entitled to not only unsurpassed performance, but reliability, safety, and mechanical excellence. BMW has clearly violated something you continue to harp upon, which is honor and a “proud history.” The -35 models have a defective HPFP built by a French subcontractor (believe it or not, that is the truth). BMW has not been honest with its customers and with the public. In that sense, they are as despicable as Detroit, which through stubborn, arrogant design and indifferent customer care essentially alientated their customer base, and are now a shadow of their former selves. The BMW dealers have no choice but to legally honor the warranty, they are not doing you or anyone else a favor. It is astounding that no one has yet been seriously injured or killed by an HPFP failure. It took several deaths for the NHTSA to issue a recall to Toyota/Lexus for a jammed throttle issue. How will BMW “step up to the plate” and “make good” on someone’s maimed body or lost life? The cars are simply not safe to be driven, and every owner subject to HPFP failure should have their vehicles reacquired on a uniform, forumulaic basis, taking into consideration the number of failures, lost days, out-of-pocket costs (if stranded, for example), and BMW should be assessed punitive damages for its arrogance.
So you play the racial card , to add to the mix . OK we’ll get back to that in a minute . To answer your statement about being an apologist for BMW I ‘am looking at things from a historical perpective . Lets judge BMW 10 years from now for there actions regarding this matter . So the question is “have you sold your BMW yet” or are you going to complain and snivil till doomesday ? So you wanted to play the racial card , are you such a loser that you can not afford to get rid of it because you have so much debt ? I mean what were you doing during the last 20 years that this little economic downturn has you so straped for cash that you can not just sell it and walk away ? A friend of mine just moved here from Montreal and paid cash for all new machinery and started a company to get in on the building boom here , As you guys are complain about HPFP were out there taking advantage of the boom and are generating enought cash to pay cash .
Paul, How are we supposed to sell “JUNK”!!!!!!!
Also, if we keep driving our BMW’s, we might not be here in 10 years as you said.
Sprinter is right, we thought we bought an “ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE”. They sure fooled us, didn’t they? I paid CASH (one lump sum) for my Z, hey, maybe your friend would want to buy my 2005 Z4 13,000 miles on, plus warranty. How much do you think your friend would pay for it????
Didn’t you research the market first ? Are you telling me the local Audi dealership will not take it in on a trade for all new S4 ? , Or the Porsche America ? Or M/B ?
Oh, they take it for an Extremely Low Reduced Price
Exactly Chris, Maybe Paul should do his research on trade-in prices. The new cars are marked up $2500 to $5000, they will only give you trade-in value on your car. I guess we BMW owners shouldn’t keep are cars in hope that it would one day be a collectible. LOL
I do not need to research trade in values because I do not care , I alway get a good deal or I walk , so % 100.00 I get a great deal especially in this economy . A thought to ponder , why not find a solution , if I was a trained engineer and out of work I’d be on this issue like white on rice , study the componet , how its manfactured , metals used , why do they fail ?— I saw a need for an item and a man in Detroit is busy making them , the ones out there didn’t function properly so I fixed the issue . — solutions are the answer not threats to sue and constant complaing , I alway hope to look at this blog and see a responce from a man/women whom has studied the problem and has the answer how to fix it .
Are you an idiot?
Since when is a purchaser/lessee (I lease cars–always) required to spend time with auto engineering problems? Am I supposed to interrupt my career to tackle a problem created by BMW? That’s why warranties exist–to cause the manufacturer to accept legal responsibility for defects. The % of autos leased is equal to or greater than the % purchased in much of the US–Alaska excepted. Did you read the links to the lawsuits filed? This problem looks like it’s far more complicated than a component–it also involves faulty software.
No wonder “guys” like me love it here , everthing is so easy for us ! The simplest problem bogs you guys down and you just can not figure it out ! You call the Audi dealership and say , I need an S4 , blue , 6 speed , all factory options , I’ll be down in 2 hours with my trade in a Montego Blue 2008 BMW 335xi with 15K miles , perefect credit , never wrecked , all factory specified maintance was performed at the dealership , have the numbers worked out if they look good I’ll sign if not I walk .
WOW. Paul, as I sit here & read your posts, I’m also wondering if you’re married & what you do for a living? With nothing else to do but try to belittle the people on this site with REAL problems.
When I work I make a lot of money to compsate for the months off , sometimes I hike around with the metal dector and move a little dirt to find a few nuggets , thats the Alaskan way , next I love to watch you people make a big deal out something so trivial . What is the 3 series BMW , the Mexican women whom makes tamalies and such delivers them to the build site in a 3 series , the coffee stand girls drive 3 series , school teachers drive 3 series , guys on buildings site drive 3 or 5 series and there wives drive 3 or 5 series station wagons , very large African-American women whom cook and clean on the slope [Arctic oil fields] drive 7 series or S500 M/B , at any given stop light there are lots of Subarus , BMW 3 , 5 , 6 and 7 series and Audi A4’s , 6 ,8 , S4’s , M/B , cookie cutter cars , its no big deal to own one , there not Pagani Zondas ! It takes two minutes to blog and we get an hour of entertaiment out of it ! Oh and BTW women up work on rotation , in Anchorage Alaska you do not lose your women you just lose you turn , I get tired of that so I’ll have to ship up some women from “downsouth” and see how it works out — its so cold and dark they complain yada yada –oops thats another blog ! So exactly what constutes a REAL problem ? HPFP are an easy fix !
Aaahhh, let him vent MJ, maybe with our posts we can actually help people find out faults with their N54s. That’s the important thing. Just trying to help people from being stuck on the road or getting a raw deal from the vendor or dealer. Since the people in the 2007 and 2008 model got a good warranty on the fuel pump; I feel the 2009 and 2010 owners got jammed. They might need some help to get as much warranty work done as possible before the “reckoning” occurs.
Paul, my dad goes to Alaska every year to “pan gold” He brought home a few big nuggets. So, I gather you work in the oil fields? My Z is one of my toys used only in nice weather, as well as my Trike. I dabble in antique cars too, I still have my high school car a 1933 Plymouth 5 window coupe with a rumble seat, now that’a a real car!!! Now, back to the subject of BMW, we obviously don’t think a car that stalls when ever or when ever is trivial, it’s a definite safety hazard. Good luck with the women or the lack of.
Ponder this , compared to the real problems of climate change , thawing tundra and the massive release of methane , avability of fresh water , the real economic crisis that is comming makes this HPFP issue trivial , I mean if you people can not solve this issue how are you going to cope with some REAL PROBLEMS ? You people will not be-able to cope , I mean where is the backbone of this shell of a once great powerful country ? I read these blogs and all of you take yourselves so serious when in reality the fix is so easy . HPFP Ha , try no fresh water for two weeks . I have proved my point to my friends they all agree most of your are in serious trouble because a real problem will overwhelm you .
Hey Chris
It’s not just N54s owners that get stuck by the side of the road. I’ve got an M6 Convertible and the stories I colud tell you about this car’s faults and the pathetic support offered in Australia leave most people speachless!
Paul, I’ll go off the BMW subject with you for a little bit. I have news for you, I live very very close to a COAL BURNING POWER PLANT, it happens to be the 3rd dirtiest in the country. It was grandfathered in, meaning we had to sue Allegheny Power Plant to get them to make it cleaner. We also have a gas (Duke Energy) very close too, both of which use millions of gallons of water a day from the river. We also have gas wells (Marcellus Shale) popping up all over this state, now they need to build a plant to “clean” the run off water to put back into the river, and we have to drink this very same water. Our water treatment plant is directly across from where they ILLEGALLY dump. Our town has the highest rate of CANCER than any other town. Here’s something that will occupy your time, do a search on Hatfield Ferry Power Plant. Now, I not only have to be worried about dying in a car accident next time my BMW stalls, I have to worry about my family & friends dying of cancer.
So BMW HPFP problem is dwarfed by the Guri Dam issues and the Hatfield Power Station in my eyes , also the BMW HPFP issues can be solved once and fore all by trading the car in and thats that . Why would you continue to live in an area where your almost certain to get sick ? So not to sound too mean but are you going to wait and get sick and then blog and talk of suing Alleghney Energy ? The damage is done and a few thousand years will have to pass to restore the region to the pristine state of pre-A.E.
Paul, I’m sorry you have the outlook that you do about pretty much EVERYTHING, but family is everything to me, whcich is why I live where I live. I thought about why we owners of BMW’s get on here to Bi*** about our cars & came to the conclusion that we NEED BMW to stand up to their problems & admit that there IS a SERIOUS PROBLEM. Hey Paul, don’t lose your turn in line, LOL
BMW owners, KEEP ON BLOGGING.
My out look is totaly positive , you guys complain a fix is offered and you complain some more , my Russian friends and I just drove 550 miles in our Bimmers through some good – 40 below zero and they ran great , PERFECT and you can really feel the differance when you get below zero , the super cold air being sucked into the engine and through the intercooler , the Russians said BMW’s runs great in Russia and Alaska maby you guys baby your cars and they get cloged up and need to have the piss run out of them , I asked the dealership here about the HPFP issue and they said they see it once in a while , not very often . BMW are cold climate cars , oil pan heaters and trickle chargers are the only engine modifications we have done to our machines for really cold climates . Sitting in traffic at 10 MPH is hard on these cars because there built for speed from the factory and need to be allowed to do as the engineers design them to do –RUN FLAT OUT–, so maby its NOT the BMW Ultimate Driving Machine but the driver ? Or stop and go traffic ? Do the math we left at 9:00 AM and got back at 5:00 PM , stoping for gas and lunch is included in the time , German built , Autobahn tested !
90% of the trip was in the mountians , in and out of the narrow canyons , getting stuck behind rigs pulling double trailers , running the beautiful tree lined two lane highways always totaly alert to be hard on the brakes for Moose, not like the super duper interstates you have in the lower 48 that is access controled and totaly clogged .These BMW’s can flat ass get get up and run , hard on the brakes for the tight corners in the canyons and pulling out of them under full throttle and get ready to be hard on the brakes for the next corner , downshift and run up to 6500 rpm oh so smooth , stoping to look at the Matanuska Glacier , the engines idling so smooth . No HPFP issues here ! I hope that project starts soon so I can do it every weekend !
Add the darkness being conquered by the Xenons and the high mountian tundra to the mix with long sweeping corners and long straight runs where you can see for miles ! 2 BMW 335xi’s and a 535xi with a DINAN chip , these machines are flat built to run from the factory , everthing about them is performance orinated — BMW– the Ultimate Mountian Machine — ! So exactly how to you guys treat your machines because the mechanics at the dealership said a lot of people baby there machines and putter around town so the engine never gets real hot , when he looks under the oil fill cap there is ice from not being run hard enough to burn off the condensed water that forms in the oil during engine cool down .
Also do you allow the turbos to cool down for 10 minutes after long runs , our machines were only shut off to take on fuel , but only after a 10 minute cool down period , the turbos are oil cooled so if you do run them hard and do not alow the turbos to cool off you will burn the oil that is traped in the turbos ?
Totally uneccessary Paul, check the facts. Electric water pump. It’ll run with the engine off. No oil coking of turbo bearings is going to happen. The wastegate flap pivot is the weakness
Retake:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2009/12/ca_bmw.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17233560/Bmw-Law-Suit-Hpfp
The problem with that was… People were complaining of noise. So BMW made a software fix. Well of course when wastegates open sooner and the engine runs at lower boost pressures you are going to lose power and fuel economy. People need to stop whining so much.
Jason , thank you !
Yeah; people get a lean mean fightin’ machine. 0-60 in 8 secs. Wooooo…..both cases submit MULTIPLE problems…not just a car with a little lag…..but major GEO Metro style acceleration. When a company boasts no turbo lag for 50K; customers will purchase said vehicle for what is advertised. I already understand the technical aspects why the cars has so many failures, not really looking for the excuse, just the FIX. I already heard every excuse in the book for multiple systems; just don’t care…..make it right. BMW could have went straight to DINAN immediately to fix the issue on that one thing, but they did not. Instead, used their lackies. To no avail…of course…they had to refer to DINAN after getting their butts kicked. They need some new engineers that will work a full day.
Stop complaining and sell it if you do not like it !
Sell to whom? At what loss? The seller of a vehicle who hides a defective history from a buyer who has relied upon lack of disclosure is quite likely to be liable for damages or worse, if the buyer experiences an accident or death. Ever heard of criminal negligence? No dealer of any vehicle, at this point, would not be aware of the flawed N54 and buy your x35. And you cannot break a lease, unless BMW, as I’m attempting to do, will cancel the remainder of the obligation and retire the lemon. If I’m lucky, I have no problems for the remaining 13 months of my lease and turn it in, no equity, just aggravation and some lost time. It could be much worse, as many have stated here, and someone is going to have a severe accident when that HPFP fails–it’s inevitable.
In order to own cars of this nature one must have sufficent income to cover any problem that may arise and not have to fret about the loss . Look up Ruger Redhawk barrel thread lubricant issues , this is but a foot note in the history of this revolver , so if one sells his RRH should he say oh and by the way , no because this only affected a few serial numbers ranges a long time ago . I perfer the L.A.R. Grizzly line of pistols , every time you pull the trigger thats $2.50 going down range if you fire top notch factory ammo [.45 Winchester Magnum or Cor-Bon .45WM] re-loads are cheaper by about 1/3 , the pistols are expencive , everthing about them is expencive but if you want one you have to pay ! Its the same with BMW , Audi ,M/B .
It’s not the money; the car simply is not worthy of being in the same class as Audi. It’s an over-rated Mattel special that should have been priced at 40K fully loaded. The car doesn’t last. Nothing a person can do to make it worthy. BMW is too dumb to listen to the customer. If they would have listened, all the junk might have been fixed. They’re in denial like alcoholics.
Well then sell it , walk away and stop complaining .
Paul, please get real!!!! Better yet, do you want to buy my Z4, very low miles on it. I’lll give you a real good deal. Then I personally stop compaining :-) If not, I will keep complaining until BMW NA contact me. That probably goes for everyone else who continue to have problems. Until then we won’t stop bad mouthing BMW!!!!!!!
Here is the bottom line ladies and gentleman. The fact that this board is made up of complaints says something. There is something wrong so there is something to complain about and to gain some information from others who are having the same problem. This happens for anything. Not just cars, but cameras, cruises, doctors or taking Xanax what have you….no matter what it is if there is a problem people share their experiences and that’s what’s going on here. If BMW had an issue of seal belts coming off or airbags not working properly then that’s what we would be talking about. For example….Hey I hit or someone hit me and the air bags did not deploy at 35mph has anyone experienced this too or am I the only one? And some says yeah holy cow met too…. I hit a truck and no bads deployed. Then we have and issue, a problem that people have in common. Then others see it and join in. Would you sit there and say well, BMW is the best of the best and let’s not complain cause they just make one hell of a driving machine. See shmucks like Paul can go fuck themselves. OMG did I say that? How rude of me. Geez I’m so sorry that was way out of line. Let me formely apologize. NOT!! O.K. Now guy that’s super intelligent comes here on this board and is venting about us venting about the car “WE THE OWNERS” are having issues with. Shit man I don’t get this loser who stinks like Sarah Palin of just trash talk. If I took a medicine and it made me feel like crap I would say something about it. I live in California where a cop and his family of 4 died about 5 miles away from my house and the road that I go by all the time. He drove a Lexus made by the most reputable auto maker for reliability and durability in the world. Yes TOYOTA!! The best car out there that barely has any issues. But look it made news around the country and do you know how fast Toyota stepped up to the plate after that CHP off duty Police Officer and his family vanished into a big ball of fire??? They were all over the news about the floor mats being stuck or undone. The news media said this and they said that but guess what now the shit is fixed. Paul if you are reading this…..Do you get it bud?? Can you squeeze that tiny bit of information in your thick skull of yours? People die from shit as simple as floor mats getting stuck….or is it the throttle? What’s the difference? Toyota denies all the allegations of there being any problems with the throttle being stuck on any of their vehicles. But some other people came forward saying the same thing has happened to them. This issue is that BMW is a big headache for BMW the owners of BMW’s and there needs to be a fix…..not something you make light of. When someone dies sooner or later Paul I want you to go to the familiy and say, Stop your crying sir, your wife and your 4 yrs old son are better off now anyways, plus you should of sold the car if you thought this was a problem, now stop your complaining shut up and just bury your family while I sit here and be the bigger man and say that you should of quit your complaining and just sold it and got another car. I am super pissed. That’s like telling the Jews they should of left Germany when Hitler came into power or people in Iraq should of left when Sadaam Im a nut job Hussein was killing his own people left and right. You talk the talk Paul but coming here and telling people to stop complaining and giving them advice like as if you are Mr. Know it all is just beneath you….or is it???
Tommy, if you permit me to edit your commentary, we could be quite a team. The grammar and syntax could use some work, but I applaud your sentiments. I try to be polite in adhering to customary blogging protocol, but Paul has reinforced the stereotype of Alaskan NIMBYs and their woefully unqualified V.P. candidate, Mrs. Palin. My only hope is that she is nominated by the Republican Party in 2012, ensuring a huge landslide for the incumbent Mr. Obama. Alaska–wonderful land, great fishing, and home to many social misfits of vigilante mentality. Unfortunately, BMW executives perhaps share some of those Alaskan traits.
HPFP , floor mats , stuck throttles , corrupted softwere , no wonder we need so many laws in order to regulate the idiots in society and keep them safe , and yes the Jews should have smarten up earlier , and yes Sarah Palin is the cat meow ! In 2012 the aliens are going to take control and all your misery and suffering will be over , some of us though will be helped by the Annunaki and move in to a higher plain if consciousness . Did you ever stop to think that maby its a conspiracy to reduce the population across the board , you guys are fun to banter with because you take yourselves and issues all so seriously , skippy !
Did I ever tell you about the time I steped out of the Foremost Nodwell to take a piss and a Polar Bear tried to grab me so I had to ————– anyway the stars were in my favour that day , well actual everyday . true story !
Well put Tommy, well put. Paul, can YOU see Russia too?
Actualy yes , from Savoonga you can see Siberia on a clear day . In fact the engineering has been done to build a bridge linking North America with Siberia across the Bering Straits . I see Russians everyday — Russian women love BMW’s , now thats one hot combo there , smokin hot Russian women rolling up to Barnes and Noble in there Bimmers for coffee — fast cars and hot women ! Spasiba .
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/02/20/us/eskimo-guards-on-alert-off-siberia.html
It is unfortunate that these models of cars are so poorly manufacturered. The idea of selling it to some unsuspecting individual is not the way I do business. If I were bored of just got tired of it, then I would proceed in that manner. This is where we are different. The logical choice is to send the property back to the original maker or parent company. If the item is flawed from the get-go, then the vendor should get it back so they understand why they should not be selling it. As for complaining; I did not see any. I saw inviduals communicating and providing information to others. Hey, what can I say, the truth hurts sometimes. I received more “TRUE” information from messages boards, then the local service rep. That’s embarrassing for them, but once again….true. So people, keep posting and spread the info. It used to be I would not trust anything I read on the web, now I believe it to be more reliable to read the forums. You get faster results, less shop time and fewer visits to the SA.
I received a second call today from N.A., my history having been reviewed by Bryan. I had logdged a complaint by phone about two weeks ago. He has referred my case to the next level, and I am supposed to receive a phone call in a few days. In response to his question about what I am seeking, I stated I wanted out of my lease, with no legal exposure to a subsequent owner of the car, should they recondition it. We’ll see what they offer. I don’t know if I should expect any more than relief from the remainder of the payments. Perhaps my low mileage (ave. 7400/yr.on a 10,000/yr. maximum) will affect the settlement. Lynda may have some sense of how the buyback, or in my case, lease termination might be calculated. Being an accountant, I can think of several permutations. Hopefully, the next problem I encounter is what car should replace the Bimmer.
Hi Sprinter,
I’m not certain how they’ll handle a lease situation financially, since I had paid cash for my car. I had done some checking on the resale value of my car in the open market, and it was considerably less than what I was actually offered – and paid.
I found their overall process pretty opaque, but perhaps this will help. You actually end up dealing with three different ‘corporate entities’. BMW NA makes the decision as to whether or not they’ll take your car back. The service manager at the dealer has some input as to the condition of the car, and BMW NA hires a separate company to actually implement the transaction.
In my case, once they decided they would take the car back, they called me with a dollar amount, and asked me if I would accept that amount. Since it was well over what I had expected, I simply said yes – rather than negotiating.
They didn’t offer much info about how the process worked – so I asked, politely, and kept on asking. I also asked for the phone number and name, etc., of the people who called me.
Also, in my case, as I’ve mentioned elsewhere, there were a couple of scrapes on two bumpers, and I had to pay for that repair. They’re pretty picky about the condition of the car, tires, etc. They also have you sign a document relieving them of any further financial obligation – and making it clear that you can’t sue them. I have no way of knowing if that would actually hold up in court, but it is something to consider.
Hope that helps.
7400 miles a year ? My 2008 335xi BMW was purchased in November of 2008 and has 28,678 miles on it , this car has been bullet proof ! So in conclusion this problem has only affect a few serial numbers . You should get a Prius , safe , eco-friendly , super gas millage basicaly perfectly suited for you and your lifestyle . Stay away from the German cars , before you buy maby you should visit the Audi blogs .
If I hadn’t had the first HPFP fail at 6,000 miles, my driving habits would have been altered. I would have taken several long trips by now. Your observation is not baed upon all of the facts. I haven’t driven to Las Vegas or Mammoth simply because I’m not willing to be stranded in climactic extremes, or worse, lose control on a high risk road, like US Highway 1 near Big Sur, which I really wanted to drive in this car.
I’ll sledge hammer my Bimmer into 40 below zero with total confidence , in reality you guys need to hang out with some French-Canadien , Russian , Eastern European boys to toughen you up , you guys always have some sort of sad excuse .
You guys are just so delicate and afraid of your own shadow , every state has high rick roads , here its the Seward Highway , head-ons , avalanches , falling rocks , Moose and lots of idiots some drunk and some just plain stupid , toughen up !
Sprinter….excellent news. Glad to hear the matter is being resolved in the proper manner. Sorry the car did not work out. I know people love to drive these cars and some people have no problems. I say “good for them”, but I think BMW should weed out the bad ones and handle the scenario with good customer relations. Hope your next car is a good one.
A history of my history with BMW. My first car ever was a 1971 Potiac GTO with a 455 engine, 11.6 to 11.9 in the quarter mile. That was the fastest car I ever have owned. . My first BMW when I was like 19 was a 1979 BMW 320i with 170,000 miles on it and it ran strong. Then I went on to bigger and better cars. I decided to buy a VW Golf GTI which proved that German cars were my thing. My next car was an 1997 Acura Integra GS-R and that thing was fun to drive as heck. One day I went to my local BMW dealer and this salesman said that my Acura was a piece of shit. I was like gee thanks bud anything else you wanna tell me? So I was looking at the 3 series and I liked the 2000 323i 5spd. I went back and bought it from another salesman. I kept that car 7 yrs and then moved on to my next BMW and that was a 335i with automatic sport shifter and paddle shifters on the sterling wheel. This is when the problems started but man I still love these cars. I still feel safe and I love going fast in the them. But since I don’t like the MERC I decided to talk to a couple of techs and they all told me about the HPFP problems and how that is the number 1 problem why these cars are in here day in and day out. So I asked the shop foreman, “What would you buy?” He said, “To be honest with you don’t buy anything with a turbo and if you can afford it get an M3 or an M5.” With that being said I took his advice and did some homework and now I am the proud owner of a 2010 M3 with DTC. This is a car on steriods. My God it’s so freaking fast and the sounds it makes is so awesome. How can you deny BMW or better yet yourself the ultimate experience? If anyone out there is interested in a M3 E90 or E92 let me tell you that you will not be dissappointed at all. My friends want me to DINAN the engine to stage 1 and I was like why?? So the car can go 180. No thanks….If I was in Germany I would do it in a heart beat but not on these American freeways. Anyways, I know some of you will go on to buy other makes and models which I get. But please be advised that no Infiniti or Acura will ever measure up to a BMW and Lexus is no exception. I sold all of these cars and BMW hands down is got the safety and sheer thrill a “DRIVER” wants. Look luck to everyone out there with your cars. God Speed!!
Lynda–I read your discussion of the process of complaint, communication and reimbursement and surrender of the vehicle. It seems to have taken about a month.
Assuming I am two weeks into the same process, I need to consider what type of car to replace this annoyance (and threat to safety). Unfortunately, I have always had a better experience ordering vehicles direct from the manufacturer, which will take at least 8 weeks. So, if BMW doesn’t reject my request to terminate my lease, I probably will have to rent a car for a month or two if I order a 2010 replacement. I am finsihed with BMWs, even if the driving experience is clearly superior than all of the competiton, and I have leased them, or tested the hell out of them. I will not tolerate a car that dies on me; and have been very fortunate to experience these failures in close proximity to authoized dealers. It could have been a lot worse and/or dangerous. BMW has demonstrated a lack of integrity and I truly believe, will not easily overcome the damage to their expensive advertising deception.
I leased four Lexus’ with zero reliability problem, just a throttle lag, well-documented, in the ES 300. But the cars are boring. I liked the Infiniti G35, but it was just OK, and strangely prone to misfortune, none of it mechanical–tickets, one nasty accident. If anyone here has had a totally satisfactory experience with a particular brand and year vehicle, with responsive and safe driving, reliability, and aesthetics OTHER THAN BMW, please share; I may have overlooked a brand in my ruminations.
Hi Sprinter,
First, I may not have mentioned that the process of BMW taking back my car may have taken longer than usual, partially because it was over the Christmas season; and I chose not to have them take it back at our first appointment because they wanted the windshield replaced, and, rather than having them do it at a cost of over $1200, my insurance company did it with a cost to me of $100. That delayed the ‘take back’ for about a week – again, partially due to Christmas.
About cars, I drove a 2008 Mercedes C320, a 2008 Infiniti coupe, and an Audi A4. The Mercedes was a nice car, but no ‘road feel’. All my BMWs have had sports packages, and been stick shifts. I liked the Infiniti *a lot*, but it was used, on a Porche dealer’s lot, and a coupe – I wanted a sedan. I did not even try a Lexus, because I was told by a knowledgeable friend that it was more a luxury car, not a sports car, as I wanted.
I liked the Audi’s but not quite a much as the Infiniti. Also I checked Consumers, and the Infiniti tops the reliability ratings, hands down. So I went hunting, and did end up finding what I wanted.
Re the G35 as you mentioned, the current models are G37, and I bought the G37S. You might want to test drive a current one, since the 2010s are just now arriving. That is, if you’re open to it. If not, my only suggestion is the Audi. The Audi test drive I did showed the car to be solid, I did like it – just not as much as the Infiniti.
Re my Infiniti, the more I drive it, the better I like it. Plenty of power, and handling is very very good. I still haven’t had a chance to really challenge it around corners. (that’s the only question I still have)
When I do a direct comparison of the Infiniti with my 335i, for highway driving, power, etc. they are equal. I haven’t really compared hwp, or other specs, I’m talking just from the driving experience. The transmission experience is different, but since most people drive automatics, I won’t get into that.
Minor comparisons, like appearance, cupholders and controls like the iDrive, vary. I think the BMW is still a prettier car, at least from the front. The Infiniti looks as good, though, from the side and rear. The controls on the Infiniti are better, easier than the iDrive. Cupholders are more convenient, less prone to spills on the Infiniti.
Mostly, though, of course, I’m very very happy driving a car that won’t conk out on me, on the highway at high speed, or in some remote, dangerous spot. I can plan my day a little better. ;-)
HTH
I am very curious about the Consumer Report reliability rating of the non N54 3 models, if that is available.
Buyback approved Friday, 1/29. N.A. rep called and e-mailed confimation that they will refund 100% of my lease payments minus a “usage component” pursuant to the CA lemon law. Since I only had 6000mi at the time of the first HPFP failure, the usage will be about $ 2100 vs. approx. $ 15k refunded, net of about $ 13K. Now that I have further enquired and driven the “alternatives,” I’m actually thinking about leasing a 2010 328xi, to be ordered. I am satisfied that the N54 is the problem, and a x28 is a different design.
N.A. will wait for me to receive an ordered vehicle, taking eight weeks, and refund those lease payments made prior to delivery, as well as the annual registration coming up this week, which is about $ 500. I could then deliver the lemon to the dealer from which I am leasing the new Bimmer. Can’t ask for more reasonable treatment than that. My previous disgust with BMW for not acknowledging the x35 problems has been relieved by the courteous, flexible and expditious treatment. Still not certain about leasing a 328xi due to the high money factor, but if they lower it while it’s in transit from Germany, I get any dealer incentives and/or reduced money factors despite a locked rate at the time of order (terms of lease are not going to be worse, only better). That’s also very fair. Clearly, BMW is trying to recover hundreds of millions somehow, and they are apparently jacking the money factor to what amounts to an A.P.R. of 5.28%; a new Audi A4 money factor comes to 1.08% A.P.R.! Could lease a 3 series coupe for lower M.F. but I prefer a sedan for the convenience and passenger room.
Congratulations, Sprinter, on approval of your buyback. Good luck with the new car.
I did do some checking into the Consumers ratings, and, unfortunately, they don’t break out the N54 models.
As for me, I’m happy with the Infiniti, since I’ve now totally acclimated to the differences in the manual transmission. (Still haven’t had time, though, to challenge it with lots of curves. It has handled everything I’ve thrown at it, so far, very very well – every bit as well as my three previous BMWs.)
At this point, since BMW paid me so well on the buyback, I figure they essentially gave me use of the 335i for three years, for free. Given the fact that my life was endangered, and, of course, the inconvenience of all the time the car spent in the shop, I’m happy to have escaped.
One more thought, I just did a google on ‘BMW 3 series competitors’ and got this: http://www.automotive.com/2009/12/bmw/3-series/compare/index.html Mostly they just list the Audi, Infiniti, & Lexus, but off to the side they list a couple of Acuras.
FWIW, I don’t think I ever knew Infiniti existed until one of my good friends told be about another friend who had had both BMWs and Mercedes, and liked a newly purchased Infiniti better. YMMV
http://www.usa.smart.com/ this is the cats meow !
http://www.usa.smart.com/lease/ women love these !
Paul, the “Smart Car” kind of reminds me of my BMW Isetta that I restored. Doesn’t look very safe either, but what the hell.
OK how about a truck ? http://alaskaexcavators.com/K_TRUCKS.htm
This is a real cool mode of transporation http://www.onelectriccars.com/on-the-lumeneo-smera/248/ here it is in colour !http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/European-Motor-Show/photo/100113/481/622cbce4793a48aa95dd734aca5f976e/
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/European-Motor-Show/photo/100113/481/622cbce4793a48aa95dd734aca5f976e/
http://www.globalmontreal.com/money/Toyota+issues+massive+recall/2472312/story.html , I love my Bimmer , I would never own a Toyota with all of there problems .
http://www.insideline.com/bmw/3-series/2011/bmw-unveils-2011-335is-refreshed-3-series-coupe-convertible-lineup.html BMW moves ahead , again .
The article you sent is interesting in that it states that the 2011 3 Coupe and Convertible use the “tried and true N54 engine.” From the numerous failures of that engine design, with HPFP and twin turbo, one would be hard-pressed to ascribe reliability to the N54 The twin turbo is being modified for 2011 models, as indicated by the term “single twin-scroll turbocharger. Perhaps that will solve the problem.
One of the comments at the end of the article adresses that concern , mine has been very reliable . The -is- model will also get a bigger radiator and extra power cooling fan so maby the high engine bay temperature is part of the HPFP faliure problem , here 80 above in the summer is very hot , normal summer temps are in the high 60’s to low 70’s and even that is only for a few months if at all . I’ve never seen an oil temperature higher then 235 except in the city but then as soon as we get moving it drops right down to 220-235 . So maby this is why there are fewer problems in colder climates .
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q1/2011_bmw_335is_coupe-first_drive_review additional radiator , in another article , a more powerful fan is added also .
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Toyota-halts-US-sales-of-8-apf-2630574682.html?x=0 this problem with the Toyotas has caused several crashes including some fatalities , BMW’s HPFP issue has caused NO crashes and NO fatalities . Just a lot of yapping !
Paul you are like the Perez Hilton of this board I must say. You do more yapping then anyone else I noticed or is it just me. Do you work for BMW? No. I did. I know the cars are awesome and we love them. I love them more then most people out there. When an issue comes up people say, “Well there’s always Mercedes, Lexus, Infiniti, Acura or Porsche. I stay until the bitter end. I sold BMW’s for 4 yrs and I sold Toyota’s and Honda’s for about 9 yrs. Every car has issues we get that…I know I get it anyway. But guess what bud??? BMW is held to a higher standard. Just like the Bellagio is in Las Vegas. Think about that for a minute. You get what you pay for. Isn’t true to some extent?? When the Concorde was in business how many people jumped at the chance to fly the supersonic plane? Many people who can afford it that’s who. Back in the day I use to work for United Airlines and I flew on the best planes…..747-400 and when United AIrlines was the first company to buy and fly the first 777 in the sky boy a boy did the complaints come in. Here is the best plane in the sky with the latest and greatest offerings imaginable to the average Joe. This was not the Concorde but man it sure is a sweet plane with more thrust then Jessica Alba. O.K. I should not talk about my ex like that. But seriously…..the number 1 complaint the first week was guess what?? Motion sickness. Yup you read it here first. Those engines are so big that you can fit a Ford Truck easily inside just the engine. It had so much thrust that people were getting sick and complaining that their stomachs were killing them and that there ears were popping so quickly and hard. I was like what are they complaining about now….? It’s not like they were riding along with a Blue Angel but to the average person the thrust and pick up had to be adjusted. Well, that’s where BMW comes into play. The new engine on the 535i will lose the off the line speed it has now on the coming up model. Yes they fixed the HPFP with a solution. Now I want to see the 550i with the 8cyl twin-turbo and see what they are going to do with that bad boy. By the way when you said BMW caused no crashes….you’re right. NOT YET…and there is a first for everything. Plus now that I think about it…..if the car is dying unlike the Toyota which has the gas pedal floored to the floor make the difference between possible death/accidents and not. And the final point Toyota spits out more cars then any other manufactor out there. O.K. Let’s get the rebuttle Paul….I’m sure it has something to do with Alaska.
Its so easy to rattle you guys and send you off on some tantrum , your just so delicate .
Only use 91 octane or higher BP fuel with “invigorate” in your 135, 335, 535, and Z4. You got what you deserve, and BMW got your money. Status seeking whiney bitch asses. ” Look at me, I drive a fast car.” Bourgeois self serving douches
Oh yeah, One more thing, Paul is a fruitcake. Get a life. If you like your friggin car so much why don’t you marry it. That’s right they don’t permit gay marriage in your state yet.
Actualy BMW is not status for me its affordable performance , status would be a Pagani Zonda or a Bugatti Veryon , I did’nt know BMW’s have a sexual orientantion , Straight BMW’s or Gay BMW’s , but being socialy liberal who cares? To adress the charge of being a Bourgeois , GUILTY AS CHARGED . Poops Mcquee are you a Marxist ? http://www.answers.com/topic/bourgeois
What other system is there? Corporate capitalism?
BMW got your money, you got 10 year 120k mile Fuel system warranty. Whatever your experience Paul, here in the US, nearly every high pressure fuel pumps will fail within 50K miles. Do you realize that if BMW didn’t include maintenance along with the 4 yr 50K they would lose market share in the US.
Front brakes at 15-17k miles. Lets not even talk about the piezo injector shortcomings. What do you want to bet, warranty denial comes next.
What good is this carefully cultivated Madison Avenue image of performance, if when I start my car is stalls and generally runs like sh*t.
Does anyone know how much BMW spent on advertising last year? They’ll have to increase it over the next few years to offset all the bad word of mouth from owners.
My BMW runs perfect ! And being a real bourgeoisie if I want another / different car its just a debit card swipe away .
BMW’s HPFP issue has caused NO crashes and NO fatalities . Just a lot of yapping !
Maybe, but how many fires from stuck open piezo injectors? Thats right I said fires. Whoosh, and flames everywhere, not a nice way to go. Vehicle literally
belching fire from the tailpipe.
Which model and year have produced the problem you describe, and has it been confined to a particular country or region? Please refer to the model as in 335i not N54, if you have that info.
BMW – The Ultimate Driving Machine – This site is for BMW owners , the bourgeoisie class . Here is the site you should be blogging . http://wikiality.wikia.com/Commie_Vehicles
I liike to rattle your cage Paul. You defend the brand. How about some thoughts that don’t originate with an advertising campaign “The Ultimate Driving machine, more like the Ultimate Lemon law machine or The Ultimate “Engine malfunction machine” lately. You really have gotten sucked in. Brainwashed just the way those “Madmen” want. It’s too late for you Paul, sounds like you already chugged the Kool-aid. Vroooml, sputter, sputter.
Maybe your debit card can make it all better. I bet it can.
Poops Mcquee if you were a bourgeoisie you could trade in for the car you want and not have to complain about your lot in life , yet complaining is the hallmark of a commited Marxist-Malcontent , BMW fared well in the Rolex 24 hours at Daytona . Porsche , Mazda , BMW .
I’m just messing with you. Great cars to be sure, not for me though.
Poops
BMW’s are built for speed and endurance , in order to get the full potiental out of the machine one MUST care for it to strict Factory Recommended Maintenance , Poops Mcquee I gather your having issues with your Bimmer , so do you allow proper turbo cool down , etc ? According to you its not necessary , so you know more then the BMW techs ? Yet your having issues . My 2008 BMW 335xi has run perfect since November 2008 , the HPFP was replaced at 18500 and now the car has 29000 + miles on it with no issues , OH OH except for a bad batch of stinky windshield washer fluid that was placed in the reservoir in the last F.R.M. schedule and was later re-called by BMW so the dealership delt with the issue immediately . Can you guys go into a restraunt and get a good meal or it that a problem also ?
Actualy I should say “so you Poops Mcquee know more then Factory Trained BMW Technicians , and technicians whom worked for DINAN” . OK !
I wipe my butt with a Dinan Techs training diploma.
OOOhhhhhh….that was funny!! I’ve been watching the banter, but that was good. True, BMW is made to drive (suspension only), but..by no means does it have endurance or reliability….well, not as of 4 years ago. Still…. a fun tuner ride.
Dinan Techs training diploma …lol. Come on now; you definitely have to give Dinan more street credit than BMW; BMW has no clue on the software. Dinan has the answers to fix most of the stock issues.
I fully understand you Marxist Malcontents , your lives are in shambles , nothing works for you , everthing you come in contact with you soiled and ruined , you complain endlessly , you accuse society , companys , individuals of cheating you , yet you feel entitled to everthing yet you will not work for the necessary tools to get it on your own , you scoff at the achivements of others yet in the same breath want the rewards that there endeavors have produced . I’am three generation out of Europe and my parents and grandparents drilled into [our] myself and 7 brothers and sisters minds the agenda of the Marxist and there tatics . When the film Dr. Zhivago was released they took us to see it and told us to let that burn in to your brain real good , especially the scene when they STOLE Dr. Zhivago’s home . Folks like me race our BMW’s , Audi’s , M/B , Porsches etc etc down the coast and through canyons or into the mountians to go hiking , snowmachining , stoping to eat in nice restraunts , or spending a few hours or overnight /weekend at a world class lodge , some have huge R/V pulling trailers heading out for some real fun , were living very good as you and your Marxist brethern complain about the short commings of your miserable lives . http://www.snowmobiletrails.com/arctic_man/index.html
Living good smoking hot Russian women , cool BMW’s , screaming Ski-doos and Crown Royal whiskey http://www.outdoorsdirectory.com/magazine/arcticman.htm
Why would you buy a BMW if you knew four years ago it would be problems ? Why do you guys just not trade your BMW in on an Audi S4 or AMG ? I looked at the 2010 S4 and its a nice machine , well built , a high horse power super charged motour coulped to a six speed making it very fast and doing so while being stylish , Morrison Auto Group is ready to make a deal now , nothing was said about the HPFP issue , the Bimmer has been maintained to F.R.M.S. and thats all they care about . But at the end of the day I perfer the Bimmer , If my Bimmer was giving me any problems I’d be there at 10:00 AM tomorrow to make a trade . Please do not give me any excuses about leases and contracts , every contract can be broken and BMW I’am certain will allow you get out with out negative recourse from them to keep all partys happy . My next car , if I can pull it off will be a 2011 or 2012 Alpina B7 — Now that is a real example of Bourgeoisie mode de transport . — Sad excuses are the tools of the incompetent — So list your excuses as to why you can not do a trade TOMORROW MORNING AT 10:00 AM and be free of such a poor example of teutonic enigneering that has wrecked havoc upon your lives and has upset your general state of well being . Can you handle it or will you get handled , can you produce favorable results or just think up excuses as to why you can not do the deal ?
Trading is expensive. I guess money is no object for the typical Alaskan. If you make lots of it, the loss on a trade might be immaterial. I am not going to eat $ 4-5000 due to a defective vehicle, and what assurance is there that a dealer will accept a trade of a vehicle with a known problem. Try and trade any Toyota product.
You might not know that 80% of the higher-end vehicles in So. Cal. are leased, so trades are not done–virtually impossible.
I guess you make so much money and care so litle about responsibility for product defects that you see the solution to buying or leasing a lemon as the consumer taking the hit on the transaction. Unacceptable.
Audi S6 , now thats another nice machine , I see a lot of these screaming through traffic , what about the Porsche Panamera , how about the AMG line up , I see examples of those cutting through traffic , I saw a silver AMG sedan sledge hammering down the coast this weekend and later saw it again at Alyeska parked all by it self at the far edge of the parking lot , there are so many choices to choose from that no one should be stuck with something they do not like. Its beyond my feeble mind to be able to comprehend such a complicated concept as to why not . OK let me hear the sad excuses !
335xi on FIRE…. My BMW went into limp mode too. I brought it into BMW and they said to wait a week for a software update. I said it seems to be the same HP fuel pump issues. I drove about a 1/2 mile and parked. My 2007 335xi with 23k miles spontaneously burst into flames 15ft high with smoke a mile high. It shot fuel all over the car next to it and they both burned to the ground….a crowd of people the police department all watched as the fire department battled the flames.
Anyone out there with a 335i or 335xi that caught on fire?? I have seen two go up in flames. Lawsuit has been filed… send info to docuwize@gmail.com
Twitter BMW_Fire
What no photos ? No video ? Where did it shoot the fuel from ? You are heavly insured , correct ?
Yes.. we have plenty of pictures. CarBq Burned on face book.. On twitter: BMW_fire.
two pictures for everyone..
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/docuwize/335xi%20on%20Fire/bmwburned1.jpg
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/docuwize/335xi%20on%20Fire/bmwburned1.jpg
The second of many..
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I would go to these two links and ask if anyone has had a fuel leakage problem: I know a few have. Just explain your situation and ask if anyone has had similar. There is plenty limp mode action and some fuel leaks, but yours is the first I heard of a fire. Plenty have complained of a fuel smell. BMW has such a junk fuel system; I am not surprised. Be cool when you post; I am sure you will get a response.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=99
http://www.e90post.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=629e9de10ddf8044b62ba297aa61b889&f=2
Thanks Chris… the links were very helpful. Much appreciated.
My 2007 335xi with 22K miles went into limp mode. I drove up a hill and parked it… about 5 minutes later it burst into flames burning not only the 335xi to the ground but another car. Does anyone have additional info. Has anyone see this before? I can’t get answers from BMW. Thanks in advance for your comments.
Every mechanical item is prone to some sort of major mechanical failure resulting in a complete losse of the machine . An oil drilling rig blow out preventer fails and the rig catches fire and burns , gas / oil pipelines rupture and spill oil on the tundra or catch fire , A F/T {factory trawle}r catch fire and burns at sea , some sink http://www.komonews.com/news/16065992.html? If your use to doing stuff like logging , Bering Sea fishing , gold mining , construction , working in the oil fields its a real concern to be ready when some thing fails and catches fire . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-z1p8cru20&feature=related
When a bunch of rigs starting blowing we have a problem. There are multiple incidents of fire caused after reserve power (limp mode). Just looking for answers before someone/family dies. Luckily my 16yr old daughter and wife are ok. Would help if BMW after their engineers investigated kept me updated. It has been 4 months now. I am sure this is how it started for Toyota….
My Bimmer get to do as the designers and engineers intended it for — long fast runs — Anchorage Alaska to Edmonton Alberta and back , no issues !
You sound like a bunch of pretty boys sniviling and whinning , looking for someone to blame as you filing your little lawsuits , what is going to happen when somethings really happen ? You guys need to toughen up , your insured so collect and move on or do you need counseling to get over such a traumatic event , of course payed for by the insurance company , unfotunately we live in a country full of you , were doomed ! One good thing is this little ressission is getting rid of a lot of dead weight paper pushers and non-producers .As you putter around in your Bimmers killing them !
Just looking for answers. Not looking to blame anyone. I want BMW to figure out why these things are spontaneously catching fire in parking lots/garages. Hopefully no one pays the ultimate price for the ultimate driving machine. I drive a M3 and my car is just fine. There is a real issue…
I am with you; this needs to be addressed immediately. Looks like the neighboring cars got whacked too. Glad to hear everyone is fine.
Not so fast docuwize… here is an M3 after being in limp mode burned to the ground.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286866
Docuwize, looks like those posters beat you to it. Those forum peeps have all the answers. Maybe it was a harness problem. I hope BMW compensates for this issue quickly.
BMW has to walk a fine line between building cars for guys like me to run the piss out of to cars that are full of luxury item to appease the “show off” yips whom want a BMW show car but never run it fast , hard and long . Why is the BMW GT3 NOT comming to the U.S. , no market for it , its a real sport machine , built for speed . My 2008 335xi is as close to a real sport machine I can get from BMW and still have an AWD sedan , I wish they built a GT3 sedan in AWD and sold it here , Nothing is perfect — even BMW — you guys seem to think that BMW’s are perfect , there man made mechanical machines prone to faliure , oil rigs catch fire , the space shuttle blew up , Apollo rockets blew up , at the Rolex 24 a few of the Porsches caught fire and burned , other cars burned also . I have always carryed a fire extinguisher in the trunk because fire is a real possibility in ANY vehicle . BMW is the Ultimate Driving Machine , not the Ultimate Will Never Fail machine . You guys need some REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE around machinery , big engines that fail , mile long cables breaking , hydraulic draw works smoking from the strain , 3 phase electric motours shorting out and catching fire . My BMW 335xi is just another machine to deal with , it has not been a problem but if a problem arises I’ll deal with it , if it catches fire and burns I’ll get another one , just because something fails is not a guarantee that there all bad , if an electric motour burns up , a piston fails , a connecting rod fails , a belt brakes , a chain brakes , a cable brakes , a hydrulic motour fails we get another one JUST LIKE IT and away we go !
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_energy_explosion , NO one has died from BMW’s little car fires , so stop sniviling !
No one is sniviling; this may be a onetime incident; I think there used to be a stuck pedal problem and possible fire problems with the 318i, but I saw nothing like this incident before. The pics do look wild though; this will be settled somehow in court. I am sure.
Court , lawyers , lawsuits , do not rent to a certain group of people and get hauled into court , even though they will destroy your property because the goverment pays there rent and they do not care , fail to meet your goverment racial diversity hiring quota on a job and risk getting hauled into court , no matter how lazy and worthless some of them are , someone builds someting and it malfunctions and they get hauled into court , the U.S. needs tort reform . My mother used the tried and true highly effective punishment on us when we were little — the dreaded silent treatment — if BMW is so bad then give them the – silent treatment – , never buy , use , recommend any BMW products , avoid them like a pit bull with AIDS , collect your fire insurance , or trade your BMW in and by something elce , I read these blogs and some of you guys are planning on buying another BMW , misery loves company , YOU ZERO’S JUST LIKE TO COMPLAIN AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO PROLONG THE TRAMA DRAMA , oh poor us , have pitty on us were so damaged and trudged upon and its all BMW’s fault , but if they pay us off it will make it all better ! A few years ago my sisters 550i caught fire and burned to a crisp , her solution , buy a 750i , no court , no sniviling , no lawyers , she collected the insurance / BMW refund and that was that !
Hey Paul, is your sister hot? Never mind if she drives a 750i she must be an old bad. Scratch the question.
I meant old bag. :)
She is a doctor ! Way out of your league ! I have 5 sisters and there all well off , 2 brothers whom are also well off . So like are you one of these guys whom was born here and is poor in your country of birth ? Fretting about a 3 series BMW I mean get real , My pistol collection alone is in the 6 figure range .
I love doctors…..But doctors that actually make a huge difference in the world. And no foot doctors don’t cut it. As far as your pistol collection and the amount you spent on killing. Congrats….Now I truly and honestly say you’re a douche bag from head to toe. Hi my name is Paul…..I enjoy killing, driving BMW’s, I enjoy going on the web and talking smack about people’s issues cause they are beneath me and my higher level of thinking. I know it just dawned on me you’re a tough guy, you must be one of them Scientologists or another cult freak. I better keep my words to a minimum cause you might come down here and shoot me with your bad ass guns. Paul why don’t you do spend your energy that you have and go join a good MMA gym or team and release all that pent up anger you’ve had since you were a little boy. Someone somewhere was really strict with you and took your childhood fun away from you and now you have to compensate with making other people’s problems seem like it’s nothing. No wait….I am sniviling again. Sorry about that.
I guess you got cheated again , on the cool stuff , how is your Bimmer ? Another aspect of your miserable life that is not doing so well eh ? Do you have anything that is brand new , works perfectly and is totaly cool ? Any thing ? You are fun to banter with , my Russian friends and I got some good laughs out of this blog at Barnes and Noble today so I have to add more tonight for tomorrows laughs . Actualy I’am Roman Catholic and spoke to the pope just today in fact , he called me ! So will I get to go hunting in Russia and stay at a cool Dacha this year ? Yum yum Russian goat . Cool BMW’s to race around in , cool sporting arms , living in Alaska with its huge forest to hunt in stocked with lots of lip smacking game to eat , were only a few hours by airplane from Russia and its huge forest with lots of lip smacking game waiting for me to come and harvest , after the hunt a cool Dacha and spa to relax in , hot Russian women to drink and party with .Life is good , you should try it some time .
1st BMW 323i 5spd ( No Problems )
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2nd BMW 335i Auto w/paddle shift ( 3 x HPFP + Waste Gate + 1 Muffler )
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3rd BMW M3 DCT ( No Problems ) It is a 2010 w/only 2550 Miles on it.
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AND THIS IS PAUL’S BATHROOM I GOT A TINY PICTURE OF
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Those are some pampered pretty boy looking BMW’s , mine is on its 3 rd windshield , the clear bra is damaged from rocks , the underside mud flaps have been replaced a few times after being riped off by ice crowns , 2nd set of new driving lights , rock damage again . a few good gouges across the roof from rocks . BMW the ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE is just that a DRIVING MACHINE , NOT THE ULTIMATE SHOW OFF MACHINE . That your problem ! Your killing them with pampering !
The Russian boys said the 3 series BMW are used as taxis in Russia , for traffic police in Germany and pizza delivery in Alaska , you guys and your pampered 3 series Bimmers , your %99.00 of the cars problems , wake up and run the piss out of them , STOP puttering around . Rich folks drive 760’s , own Beaver float planes to hunt in Alaska and fly private jets to hunt in Russia . I wish I was rich !