Let’s call it my preference for NA instead of FI and leave it at that.

No Audi hater here, as I said… they pay my paycheck.

Nick does this look familiar?

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To clarify. I have a 9000rpm redline and I make over 500 horsepower utilizing only 4 cylinders. Go ahead and tell me I don’t know anything about cars. And my car has four rings.

A VW fox? if you only knew… but I’m not one to talk about what I have.

And the example I always come back to… 2.4 litre, 19000rpm, 750hp, naturally aspirated……… the 2008 BMW F1 engine!

They could very easily use the LP560-4’s engine. I’d have so much more respect for them using the 8500rpm, 552bhp 5.2L V10 out of that car, to compete with (and outperform!) the M5’s 8250rpm, 507bhp 5.0L V10. In fact, I’d probably be easily convinced to buy a LP560-engined S6 or RS6 over an M5. I like the AWD, since it’s without a doubt hard to get the power down with my RWD M5.

Resorting to forced induction in a high performance engine is a sign that you either can’t or are too lazy to try to get the power out of the engine through other means. Give me a high-revving engine over a laggy, complex, twin turbo alternative any day. Of course, if you put twin turbos on the M5 or the Gallardo’s engine you’d be seeing 700+ hp, but the Audi guys somehow forget to mention that part. I could overlook the shortcomings of forced induction with those kinds of numbers.

As for the “uneducated” comment, which I have to assume was directed at me since I brought up the HP comparison between the engines… I can assure you that I know infinitely more about either car than you do. As I said, I own an E60 M5, and I sell Audis (including, amazingly, the V10-powered S6 and S8 and, very soon, the R8 5.2 V10 FSI). It’s clear that you know very little about these cars. If you do in fact have first-hand experience with either, it must be that your daily driver is a 1990 Volkswagen Fox because the frame of reference your post displays is completely out of whack. By the way, I’m glad to see that people are still resorting to the long-abused stereotype of the stuck-up BMW owners. I’d be surprised if you can even count to 10, let alone be capable of identifying or performing even simple maintenance tasks on a V10 engine. Do you believe that all BMW owners look like the yuppy driving the red E28 535i in the Audi superbowl commercial? (I thought that commercial was great, btw)

I have a tremendous appreciation for all well-engineered cars. Despite my rants against turbocharging, I have a great amount of respect for the very best forced induction cars such as AMG -65 series, 997TT, 997GT2, Veyron, Continental GT Speed, Nissan GT-R, Corvette ZR1, CTS-V, and so on. Note that two of those cars are made by companies owned by Audi’s parent company, VW, and two of them are made by Porsche, which now owns a majority stake in VW.

Audis are great cars. I wouldn’t sell them if I didn’t believe that. But I am not selling them to people like myself. If someone wants a great sports luxury sedan, sure the Audi is wonderful. But don’t insult my intelligence by suggesting that it can come even close to what BMW and MB have been doing for the last two decades with performance sedans. It astonishes and frustrates me, that Audi have either chosen not to or been unable to compete with BMW and MB in these horsepower wars. While I’ve never been a Benz fan, I am glad that they are willing to play the game. Good for MB for throwing as much power as they can possibly come up with into their cars. Good for them. MBs are modern day muscle cars. They are not the best-handling cars, but they have enormous gobs of power.

Yes, I’d choose the M5 over the E63, S6 or even RS6, but I wouldn’t turn one of the others down if it were given to me! I’m glad that the current AMG -63 series cars are naturally aspirated as well. I will be extremely disappointed if BMW goes to a twin-turbo V8 as rumored for the next M5. I’d much rather see them go to a larger V10 or even a V12.

It’s a business, not a reputation that dictates price.

It’s not that Audi can’t make a high horsepower car. They have all the resources in the world to design and develop a 600hp+ car. Do you they want it in their cars, apparently not. People that make these comments probably can’t even change their own oil or know what they are looking at when they open their hood. Get a clue.

It’s comments like such that make BMW owners carry that stigma of being oohh so cool and better than everyone.

I can’t really comment on the S6 vs M5 comparison, being that I’ve never driven an S6.

The Audi RS6 is also alot heavier than the M5 isn’t ?

Besides Audi takes the engine and detunes it then sticks in a heavier car. Nothing really great about that at all.

I very much appreciate the cars that I sell, and I’d take several of them over the M5 (997 of any iteration, R8, R8V10), but the S6 isn’t even on the same planet as the M5. I’m interested to drive the RS6 but I still think it’s sort of sad that they have to twin-turbocharge their V10 to get close to BMW.

The engine MAKES the car. I have never loved an engine so much in my life. The closest is the E36 M3’s inline 6, but it’s not exactly in supercar territory. The BMW feels truly special for its engine. Sure, there are lots of 5 series out there. So f’in what? There are thousands upon thousands of Ferraris out there too. Are you going to say that you don’t want a Ferrari because there are a lot of them? There are fewer M5s than Ferraris in the world. The Audi, unlike the BMW, feels plain. Simple as that.

It sounds more like an audi fan boy lusting after a car he as not even driven, but looked at in a parking lot.

His basis for wanting the S6 sounds is based of its uninspired exterior appearance, and nothing more.