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	<title>Comments on: BMW to develop Intelligent Learning Navigation System</title>
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		<title>By: Toy Yoda</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/02/25/bmw-to-develop-intelligent-learning-navigation-system/comment-page-1/#comment-101374</link>
		<dc:creator>Toy Yoda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Horatio: So, at least for a few more years, we can all relax, no extra “eyes” watching over us.

red: In the meantime, we can look for these future cars to start prosecuting us for habits or violations.

I think it&#039;s too late.  There was already a case in California where police asked Mercedes for gps tracking information found in an MB car of a person suspected of a felony.  He was suspected, not found guilty.  MB refused to give the information.  The case made it into California&#039;s supreme court where MB lost.  I&#039;m not sure if MB is appealing.

There&#039;s another case where the supreme court ruled that it is illegal for the us government to eavesdrop on On Star users&#039; conversations without notifying them.  So makes you wonder just how often the government was doing this before the ruling and if they are still doing it.


Just do a search on either one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horatio: So, at least for a few more years, we can all relax, no extra “eyes” watching over us.</p>
<p>red: In the meantime, we can look for these future cars to start prosecuting us for habits or violations.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s too late.  There was already a case in California where police asked Mercedes for gps tracking information found in an MB car of a person suspected of a felony.  He was suspected, not found guilty.  MB refused to give the information.  The case made it into California&#8217;s supreme court where MB lost.  I&#8217;m not sure if MB is appealing.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another case where the supreme court ruled that it is illegal for the us government to eavesdrop on On Star users&#8217; conversations without notifying them.  So makes you wonder just how often the government was doing this before the ruling and if they are still doing it.</p>
<p>Just do a search on either one.</p>
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		<title>By: Toy Yoda</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/02/25/bmw-to-develop-intelligent-learning-navigation-system/comment-page-1/#comment-101371</link>
		<dc:creator>Toy Yoda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@red

You know, if a car can eventually drive itself, I wouldn&#039;t mind giving up the pleasures of driving.  I bet, though I wouldn&#039;t know for sure, that most people spend most of their driving hours stuck in traffic going to and from work.  I hope this isn&#039;t your idea of fun driving.

So, if my commute time can  be cut substantially, get better fuel mileage, and allow myself to read or catch a nap instead of waiting for the lights to turn red, or getting annoyed at some other driver then I am for it.</description>
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<p>You know, if a car can eventually drive itself, I wouldn&#8217;t mind giving up the pleasures of driving.  I bet, though I wouldn&#8217;t know for sure, that most people spend most of their driving hours stuck in traffic going to and from work.  I hope this isn&#8217;t your idea of fun driving.</p>
<p>So, if my commute time can  be cut substantially, get better fuel mileage, and allow myself to read or catch a nap instead of waiting for the lights to turn red, or getting annoyed at some other driver then I am for it.</p>
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		<title>By: red</title>
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		<dc:creator>red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 07:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are blazing down a path where we will no longer control out own vehicles.  Where it will be illegal for us to control our cars.  Think ez pass lanes, express corridors.  That&#039;s where it will start.  Cheaper insurance rates, fuel economy, traffic control and the law will cause the general population to lay down their rights to drive without a fight.  I loathe that day because it will be sooner rather than later.

In the meantime, we can look for these future cars to start prosecuting us for habits or violations.  The government will issue you a parking ticket, speeding ticket, a commuter tax, fuel consumption fee, emission tax, and a road tax directly to your credit card and email it to you and your insurance company, employer, finance company/bank and the dmv where this information will be stored for eternity to reveal all the reasons why you are a insurance risk so you can be micro charged to death.  Worse yet, some marketing company will buy this information for top dollar to sell you stuff you don&#039;t need.  All while your cruzing down the open road!  Joy.  

So yea I&#039;m against it, the black box or whatever.  Get your cars now before they install all this stuff as standard equipment and then charge you for it.

You know what else would increase fuel consumption?  Make the car weight 2500 pounds.  

Now the cars just bong and maybe shift into neutral if you don&#039;t have the door closed or something.  Next thing you know it will be revoking your right to drive.  

I hope I&#039;m wrong about all this because I love driving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are blazing down a path where we will no longer control out own vehicles.  Where it will be illegal for us to control our cars.  Think ez pass lanes, express corridors.  That&#8217;s where it will start.  Cheaper insurance rates, fuel economy, traffic control and the law will cause the general population to lay down their rights to drive without a fight.  I loathe that day because it will be sooner rather than later.</p>
<p>In the meantime, we can look for these future cars to start prosecuting us for habits or violations.  The government will issue you a parking ticket, speeding ticket, a commuter tax, fuel consumption fee, emission tax, and a road tax directly to your credit card and email it to you and your insurance company, employer, finance company/bank and the dmv where this information will be stored for eternity to reveal all the reasons why you are a insurance risk so you can be micro charged to death.  Worse yet, some marketing company will buy this information for top dollar to sell you stuff you don&#8217;t need.  All while your cruzing down the open road!  Joy.  </p>
<p>So yea I&#8217;m against it, the black box or whatever.  Get your cars now before they install all this stuff as standard equipment and then charge you for it.</p>
<p>You know what else would increase fuel consumption?  Make the car weight 2500 pounds.  </p>
<p>Now the cars just bong and maybe shift into neutral if you don&#8217;t have the door closed or something.  Next thing you know it will be revoking your right to drive.  </p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m wrong about all this because I love driving.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/02/25/bmw-to-develop-intelligent-learning-navigation-system/comment-page-1/#comment-101118</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-100990&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gord&lt;/a&gt;: I recall that.  It seemed very promising, but for a self-driving car, not so much &quot;navigation&quot; as we think of it now.   But you&#039;re right, there&#039;s some &quot;convergence&quot; with what Horatiu is describing.

Nav systems already have ways to program destinations, waypoints, POIs, etc, already have ways to &quot;bookmark&quot; coordinates, and even have topological data in some instances.

So I&#039;m still confused too as to what this system&#039;s objectives are.   Sure, it could infer the destination based on routes previously chosen, but to what end?   Could it recommend a different route based on traffic?  Could it pre-order my usual from pizza hut?   Would it recommend Papa John&#039;s instead and offer a coupon?
 
Will it tell me, &quot;We will now turn left in 100 feet *ding*&quot; and swerve us toward our final destination?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-100990" rel="nofollow">Gord</a>: I recall that.  It seemed very promising, but for a self-driving car, not so much &#8220;navigation&#8221; as we think of it now.   But you&#8217;re right, there&#8217;s some &#8220;convergence&#8221; with what Horatiu is describing.</p>
<p>Nav systems already have ways to program destinations, waypoints, POIs, etc, already have ways to &#8220;bookmark&#8221; coordinates, and even have topological data in some instances.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m still confused too as to what this system&#8217;s objectives are.   Sure, it could infer the destination based on routes previously chosen, but to what end?   Could it recommend a different route based on traffic?  Could it pre-order my usual from pizza hut?   Would it recommend Papa John&#8217;s instead and offer a coupon?</p>
<p>Will it tell me, &#8220;We will now turn left in 100 feet *ding*&#8221; and swerve us toward our final destination?</p>
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		<title>By: Gord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw an episode of Top Gear before where BMW gave them a &quot;Driver Training&quot; 330i equiped with some electronics. The car &quot;learned&quot; the TG track and did a pedal-to-the-metal lap with no human help (Clarkson was in it, but did nothing). So I guess something like this was already being worked on.

Can you give me an example of how this system works ?, because I&#039;m not quite sure how it would work. Let&#039;s say that you floor it sometimes when going to work. Will the system cut the power or something to increase fuel economey ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw an episode of Top Gear before where BMW gave them a &#8220;Driver Training&#8221; 330i equiped with some electronics. The car &#8220;learned&#8221; the TG track and did a pedal-to-the-metal lap with no human help (Clarkson was in it, but did nothing). So I guess something like this was already being worked on.</p>
<p>Can you give me an example of how this system works ?, because I&#8217;m not quite sure how it would work. Let&#8217;s say that you floor it sometimes when going to work. Will the system cut the power or something to increase fuel economey ?</p>
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