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		<title>By: Gragop</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/12/09/speaking-of-the-big-three-from-detroit/comment-page-1/#comment-75488</link>
		<dc:creator>Gragop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75483&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;clara&lt;/a&gt;: 

I don&#039;t know if they have any stake in the Big 3 right now, aside from job security. I just think it&#039;s asinine to continue to have the UAW function in it&#039;s current capacity. Give the Big 3 time to restructure and some breathing room with labor relations? Allow them the opportunity to provide competitive benefits and wages without unionization of workers like some European companies. BMW doesn&#039;t have unionized workers in the US and it seems to work pretty well.

This also will reduce the profit margins eaten up by legacy costs in current Big 3 models. Mitt Romney (yeah, I know he flip flops on this) does have a good point that if you consider that about $2,000 of the cost of a Big 3 car is already tied up in overheard/legacy costs then that&#039;s $2,000 less in quality, development, and amenities that you&#039;ll lose right off the top before the car even hits the market. No wonder the Japanese and Europeans are more competitive in terms of pricing - $2,000 per model is a huge chunk of the cost that the American manufacturers are basically eating and passing onto the consumer through less amenities and cheaper parts.

 It&#039;s vicious circle with the UAW in the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-75483" rel="nofollow">clara</a>: </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if they have any stake in the Big 3 right now, aside from job security. I just think it&#8217;s asinine to continue to have the UAW function in it&#8217;s current capacity. Give the Big 3 time to restructure and some breathing room with labor relations? Allow them the opportunity to provide competitive benefits and wages without unionization of workers like some European companies. BMW doesn&#8217;t have unionized workers in the US and it seems to work pretty well.</p>
<p>This also will reduce the profit margins eaten up by legacy costs in current Big 3 models. Mitt Romney (yeah, I know he flip flops on this) does have a good point that if you consider that about $2,000 of the cost of a Big 3 car is already tied up in overheard/legacy costs then that&#8217;s $2,000 less in quality, development, and amenities that you&#8217;ll lose right off the top before the car even hits the market. No wonder the Japanese and Europeans are more competitive in terms of pricing &#8211; $2,000 per model is a huge chunk of the cost that the American manufacturers are basically eating and passing onto the consumer through less amenities and cheaper parts.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s vicious circle with the UAW in the picture.</p>
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		<title>By: clara</title>
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		<dc:creator>clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75418&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gragop&lt;/a&gt;: 
He wants to *give* an 80% stake to the UAW union?   What % do they have now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-75418" rel="nofollow">Gragop</a>:<br />
He wants to *give* an 80% stake to the UAW union?   What % do they have now?</p>
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		<title>By: Gragop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gragop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75417&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Horatiu B.&lt;/a&gt;: 

The UAW is helping to severely de-rail the Big 3. I understand that the purpose behind the union is to aide the working class guy and make sure he&#039;s fairly represented and cared for instead of being a cog in the machine but the UAW has hardballed the Big 3 so much over the years for stuff that &quot;concessions&quot; they try to make now are for nought, far too late. I&#039;d hope a corporate restructuring would allow for a drastic renegotiation of the UAW contract with the Big 3, does the UAW realize that without the Big 3 they&#039;re dead in the water too?!

What really gets me is that as a contigency people have discussed handing over significant interest(http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/11/a_suggestion_for_big_three_and.html) to the UAW in the Big 3. I just don&#039;t see how that can get the Big 3 back into the black - why hand the same people who&#039;ve helped bleed these companies dry for years the damn keys to the building and plants?! That&#039;s far more distressing than executives using private jets to travel - which was blown way out of proportion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-75417" rel="nofollow">Horatiu B.</a>: </p>
<p>The UAW is helping to severely de-rail the Big 3. I understand that the purpose behind the union is to aide the working class guy and make sure he&#8217;s fairly represented and cared for instead of being a cog in the machine but the UAW has hardballed the Big 3 so much over the years for stuff that &#8220;concessions&#8221; they try to make now are for nought, far too late. I&#8217;d hope a corporate restructuring would allow for a drastic renegotiation of the UAW contract with the Big 3, does the UAW realize that without the Big 3 they&#8217;re dead in the water too?!</p>
<p>What really gets me is that as a contigency people have discussed handing over significant interest(http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/11/a_suggestion_for_big_three_and.html) to the UAW in the Big 3. I just don&#8217;t see how that can get the Big 3 back into the black &#8211; why hand the same people who&#8217;ve helped bleed these companies dry for years the damn keys to the building and plants?! That&#8217;s far more distressing than executives using private jets to travel &#8211; which was blown way out of proportion.</p>
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		<title>By: Horatiu B.</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/12/09/speaking-of-the-big-three-from-detroit/comment-page-1/#comment-75417</link>
		<dc:creator>Horatiu B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are fine, no worries, I do allow people to argue or contradict since it&#039;s very constructive and it&#039;s who we really are, and I only moderated insults. 

So, don&#039;t worry, keep going :) Now, tell me more about the Big 3, are the unions one of the main factors of their problems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are fine, no worries, I do allow people to argue or contradict since it&#8217;s very constructive and it&#8217;s who we really are, and I only moderated insults. </p>
<p>So, don&#8217;t worry, keep going <img src='http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Now, tell me more about the Big 3, are the unions one of the main factors of their problems?</p>
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		<title>By: Gragop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gragop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75413&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lee&lt;/a&gt;: 

Keeping things on edge isn&#039;t completely childish...I don&#039;t feel horrible about it...we keeps it clean, baby!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-75413" rel="nofollow">Lee</a>: </p>
<p>Keeping things on edge isn&#8217;t completely childish&#8230;I don&#8217;t feel horrible about it&#8230;we keeps it clean, baby!</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost feel bad for Horatiu some times.  I mean, he works so hard putting together a great website for us and what does he get in return?  Gragop and I (mostly Gragop) acting like unsupervised children...









(Okay, so I don&#039;t really feel &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; bad about it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost feel bad for Horatiu some times.  I mean, he works so hard putting together a great website for us and what does he get in return?  Gragop and I (mostly Gragop) acting like unsupervised children&#8230;</p>
<p>(Okay, so I don&#8217;t really feel <i>that</i> bad about it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75410&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gragop&lt;/a&gt;: 
I wish I had a comeback for that, but I&#039;m laughing too damn hard to think of one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-75410" rel="nofollow">Gragop</a>:<br />
I wish I had a comeback for that, but I&#8217;m laughing too damn hard to think of one.</p>
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		<title>By: Gragop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gragop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75402&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Horatiu B.&lt;/a&gt;:  We&#039;re just playing, I promise...Lee&#039;s mom called and asked me to stop making fun of him anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-75402" rel="nofollow">Horatiu B.</a>:  We&#8217;re just playing, I promise&#8230;Lee&#8217;s mom called and asked me to stop making fun of him anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Horatiu B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horatiu B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75403&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lee&lt;/a&gt;: hahaha that&#039;s what i thought, but I wasn&#039;t sure, I know you and Gragrop do that lol but I wasn&#039;t sure about the others...it&#039;s all fun though, you guys are fun to read</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-75403" rel="nofollow">Lee</a>: hahaha that&#8217;s what i thought, but I wasn&#8217;t sure, I know you and Gragrop do that lol but I wasn&#8217;t sure about the others&#8230;it&#8217;s all fun though, you guys are fun to read</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75402&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Horatiu B.&lt;/a&gt;: 
Just joking around, Horatiu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-75402" rel="nofollow">Horatiu B.</a>:<br />
Just joking around, Horatiu.</p>
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		<title>By: Horatiu B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horatiu B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:) Ok, guys are we cool now? I can&#039;t even tell if you guys are just teasing each other or really taking stabs? lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Ok, guys are we cool now? I can&#8217;t even tell if you guys are just teasing each other or really taking stabs? lol</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75396&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gragop&lt;/a&gt;: 
Oooooooh, snap!  Yo mamma so fat, she stepped on a rainbow and made Skittles*!

@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75394&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gil&lt;/a&gt;: 
I&#039;m a mess?  How so?  Because I didn&#039;t iron my shirt today?  I know it&#039;s a little wrinkled on the back, but I&#039;ve been wearing my jacket most of the day so how the hell would you notice?  I&#039;m trying my best, dammit, but sometimes when I didn&#039;t sleep well because I had nightmares about Gragop stalking me, I wake up late and don&#039;t have time to iron.  Cut me some slack!



&lt;i&gt;*Skittles is a registered trademark of Mars, Incorporated.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-75396" rel="nofollow">Gragop</a>:<br />
Oooooooh, snap!  Yo mamma so fat, she stepped on a rainbow and made Skittles*!</p>
<p>@<a href="#comment-75394" rel="nofollow">Gil</a>:<br />
I&#8217;m a mess?  How so?  Because I didn&#8217;t iron my shirt today?  I know it&#8217;s a little wrinkled on the back, but I&#8217;ve been wearing my jacket most of the day so how the hell would you notice?  I&#8217;m trying my best, dammit, but sometimes when I didn&#8217;t sleep well because I had nightmares about Gragop stalking me, I wake up late and don&#8217;t have time to iron.  Cut me some slack!</p>
<p><i>*Skittles is a registered trademark of Mars, Incorporated.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Gragop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gragop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75370&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lee&lt;/a&gt;: 

Touche, well, I&#039;ll move up to 4th grade with: 

Yo mama so greasy she uses bacon as a band aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-75370" rel="nofollow">Lee</a>: </p>
<p>Touche, well, I&#8217;ll move up to 4th grade with: </p>
<p>Yo mama so greasy she uses bacon as a band aid.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL @ Lee.  You&#039;re a mess.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL @ Lee.  You&#8217;re a mess&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75391&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lance&lt;/a&gt;: 
Lance, I want you to extend your arms and reach HIGH above your head.  Maybe then you can catch what that &quot;ad&quot; really was.  Hurry up, though, as it may have already finished flying over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-75391" rel="nofollow">Lance</a>:<br />
Lance, I want you to extend your arms and reach HIGH above your head.  Maybe then you can catch what that &#8220;ad&#8221; really was.  Hurry up, though, as it may have already finished flying over.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this ad is disguisting!!! There is nothing to smile about in this ad. These three companies are good examples of corporate failure due to poor management and planning. Now they want to come with this arrogant advert! What the government should do is let private companies stay private. They cannot management a company properly, they fall and that&#039;s it. 

Their downfall will automatically create opportunities for someone else. Those CEO&#039;s begging for bailout and taking $1 salary should actually be kicked out of the companies nevermind giving them $1 because clearly they are useless. Employes should actually fight for new and better management as their future are in those few people&#039;s hands.

Sheer arrogance here! In fact real men have brains and will not buy rubbish like these. If they did, your cars will be even worse because you think we are idiots that buy anything that&#039;s local!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this ad is disguisting!!! There is nothing to smile about in this ad. These three companies are good examples of corporate failure due to poor management and planning. Now they want to come with this arrogant advert! What the government should do is let private companies stay private. They cannot management a company properly, they fall and that&#8217;s it. </p>
<p>Their downfall will automatically create opportunities for someone else. Those CEO&#8217;s begging for bailout and taking $1 salary should actually be kicked out of the companies nevermind giving them $1 because clearly they are useless. Employes should actually fight for new and better management as their future are in those few people&#8217;s hands.</p>
<p>Sheer arrogance here! In fact real men have brains and will not buy rubbish like these. If they did, your cars will be even worse because you think we are idiots that buy anything that&#8217;s local!</p>
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		<title>By: Horatiu B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horatiu B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75385&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jay H&lt;/a&gt;: I&#039;m sorry you feel that way Jay, and I honestly haven&#039;t seen any issues with the connection or SQL errors. We do monitor this and occasionally we might see a problem, but not so often. 

I&#039;m not sure what you meant by us starting to loose substance, we try to cover as many topics as possible and the Big 3 is definitely a huge topic this day. In our recent survey, many people requested that we would diversify a bit and not stick to spy photos only.

Feel free to share with us your suggestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-75385" rel="nofollow">jay H</a>: I&#8217;m sorry you feel that way Jay, and I honestly haven&#8217;t seen any issues with the connection or SQL errors. We do monitor this and occasionally we might see a problem, but not so often. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you meant by us starting to loose substance, we try to cover as many topics as possible and the Big 3 is definitely a huge topic this day. In our recent survey, many people requested that we would diversify a bit and not stick to spy photos only.</p>
<p>Feel free to share with us your suggestions.</p>
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		<title>By: jay H</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from the slow server connection and frustrating constant MySQL server errors this BMWblog site is starting to loose substance. if i wanna laugh i go to comic strip blog sites. i&#039;m bitter today - i just lost a bunch of colleagues in a layoff. i hope the The Big Three go bankrupt! I&#039;m not offended by this and yes I did laugh a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from the slow server connection and frustrating constant MySQL server errors this BMWblog site is starting to loose substance. if i wanna laugh i go to comic strip blog sites. i&#8217;m bitter today &#8211; i just lost a bunch of colleagues in a layoff. i hope the The Big Three go bankrupt! I&#8217;m not offended by this and yes I did laugh a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/12/09/speaking-of-the-big-three-from-detroit/comment-page-1/#comment-75374</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75373&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gil&lt;/a&gt;: 
I had a similar experience with my Z06, coming from an e46 M3.  It was faster, sure, but it looked like the interior was designed by Playskool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-75373" rel="nofollow">Gil</a>:<br />
I had a similar experience with my Z06, coming from an e46 M3.  It was faster, sure, but it looked like the interior was designed by Playskool.</p>
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