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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/10/15/bmw-sauber-heads-to-china/#comment-63304</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hamilton is choking when he should be performing; I&#039;m glad he didn&#039;t win last year and I sure hope he doesn&#039;t win this season either. A little humility and hard work will do him some good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamilton is choking when he should be performing; I&#8217;m glad he didn&#8217;t win last year and I sure hope he doesn&#8217;t win this season either. A little humility and hard work will do him some good.</p>
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		<title>By: Gragop</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/10/15/bmw-sauber-heads-to-china/#comment-63237</link>
		<dc:creator>Gragop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63232&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;George&lt;/a&gt;: 

No problem! Like I said earlier - Hamilton has tremendous raw talent - but I don&#039;t think he&#039;s mature enough yet to properly harness and use it.

I also agree that he is one of the better wet weather drivers - his charge through the field at Spa in the rain was very impressive considering how far back he came from. Honestly, the duel between Hamilton and Raikonnen was the first time since I started watching F1 that I was on my feet cheering. Also - I would tend to agree that Hamilton was unfairly penalized at the end of that race as he did concede the lead position to Raikkonen.

I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if Vettel goes to McLaren or back to BMW possibly in the 2010 season - it&#039;s nice to see teams other than McLaren and Ferrari always on the podium. That goes to show that the lack of driver aids makes it a much more interesting race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-63232" rel="nofollow">George</a>: </p>
<p>No problem! Like I said earlier &#8211; Hamilton has tremendous raw talent &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s mature enough yet to properly harness and use it.</p>
<p>I also agree that he is one of the better wet weather drivers &#8211; his charge through the field at Spa in the rain was very impressive considering how far back he came from. Honestly, the duel between Hamilton and Raikonnen was the first time since I started watching F1 that I was on my feet cheering. Also &#8211; I would tend to agree that Hamilton was unfairly penalized at the end of that race as he did concede the lead position to Raikkonen.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Vettel goes to McLaren or back to BMW possibly in the 2010 season &#8211; it&#8217;s nice to see teams other than McLaren and Ferrari always on the podium. That goes to show that the lack of driver aids makes it a much more interesting race.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gragop: I don&#039;t think that it makes any difference who will win the driver&#039;s championship since it&#039;s not going to be Kubica or Heidfeld. I am tired of the Tifosi arrogance and surely dispise what Ron Dennis and he his folks represent (see last year&#039;s scandal). 

Hamilton is still an inexperienced driver (brake locking etc) but last year he outperformed the 2 times champion Alonso and drives really good in the rain and also performs  good in the qualyfying sessions.  He seems to be down to earth and that is something I like in a person&#039;s character.

I think that BMW should have kept Vettel, but at that time Heidfeld and Kubica where performing really well, so it was a tough decision. Finally, I apologize if I sounded like a smart a.. and offended you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gragop: I don&#8217;t think that it makes any difference who will win the driver&#8217;s championship since it&#8217;s not going to be Kubica or Heidfeld. I am tired of the Tifosi arrogance and surely dispise what Ron Dennis and he his folks represent (see last year&#8217;s scandal). </p>
<p>Hamilton is still an inexperienced driver (brake locking etc) but last year he outperformed the 2 times champion Alonso and drives really good in the rain and also performs  good in the qualyfying sessions.  He seems to be down to earth and that is something I like in a person&#8217;s character.</p>
<p>I think that BMW should have kept Vettel, but at that time Heidfeld and Kubica where performing really well, so it was a tough decision. Finally, I apologize if I sounded like a smart a.. and offended you.</p>
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		<title>By: Gragop</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/10/15/bmw-sauber-heads-to-china/#comment-63219</link>
		<dc:creator>Gragop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63195&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;George&lt;/a&gt;: 

I don&#039;t want Hamilton crashing or wrecking the field but it was a dumb move to lock up his brakes then dive into the corners like that. I think that&#039;s poor driving. 

Sorry - I just don&#039;t like Hamilton and I&#039;m not part of the Tifosi but I&#039;d rather see Ferrari win than McLaren. And yes, Hamilton had performed better than Raikkonen for sure considering how off he&#039;s been this season I&#039;m surprised Ferrari extended his contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-63195" rel="nofollow">George</a>: </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want Hamilton crashing or wrecking the field but it was a dumb move to lock up his brakes then dive into the corners like that. I think that&#8217;s poor driving. </p>
<p>Sorry &#8211; I just don&#8217;t like Hamilton and I&#8217;m not part of the Tifosi but I&#8217;d rather see Ferrari win than McLaren. And yes, Hamilton had performed better than Raikkonen for sure considering how off he&#8217;s been this season I&#8217;m surprised Ferrari extended his contract.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gragop: Hamilton&#039;s performance throughout the year was better than Massa&#039;s and Raikkonen&#039;s, unless you are ignorent to the sport. Running off cars is much better than hitting them on purpose like Massa did. In the end of the day it is a non contact sport and drivers are competitive, what do expect them to do?

Finally, Hamilton said that he did not compare himself to Ayrton Senna, please check the link: http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2008/10/14/hamilton-hits-back-at-critics/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gragop: Hamilton&#8217;s performance throughout the year was better than Massa&#8217;s and Raikkonen&#8217;s, unless you are ignorent to the sport. Running off cars is much better than hitting them on purpose like Massa did. In the end of the day it is a non contact sport and drivers are competitive, what do expect them to do?</p>
<p>Finally, Hamilton said that he did not compare himself to Ayrton Senna, please check the link: <a href="http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2008/10/14/hamilton-hits-back-at-critics/" rel="nofollow">http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2008/10/14/hamilton-hits-back-at-critics/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Horatiu B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horatiu B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63167&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andrew&lt;/a&gt;: Interesting. I wish him good luck, his father was a great champion. And you&#039;re on top of the Motorsport division :) good job</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-63167" rel="nofollow">Andrew</a>: Interesting. I wish him good luck, his father was a great champion. And you&#8217;re on top of the Motorsport division :) good job</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After leaving BMW Sauber, Villeneuve drove in 2007 and 2008 for Peugeot in the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Apparently he wants to keep driving Le Mans until he wins or, I guess, until he no longer has a ride!

If Villeneuve wins the 24 Hours of Le Mans, he will be the first since Graham Hill to win the Triple Crown of Motorsport since he&#039;s won the Indianapolis 500 and the Formula One World Championship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After leaving BMW Sauber, Villeneuve drove in 2007 and 2008 for Peugeot in the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Apparently he wants to keep driving Le Mans until he wins or, I guess, until he no longer has a ride!</p>
<p>If Villeneuve wins the 24 Hours of Le Mans, he will be the first since Graham Hill to win the Triple Crown of Motorsport since he&#8217;s won the Indianapolis 500 and the Formula One World Championship.</p>
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		<title>By: Horatiu B.</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/10/15/bmw-sauber-heads-to-china/#comment-63142</link>
		<dc:creator>Horatiu B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-62931&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andrew&lt;/a&gt;: Great article Andrew, thank you. 

I used to be a fan of Villeneuve, but not sure what happened to him, he was a good driver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-62931" rel="nofollow">Andrew</a>: Great article Andrew, thank you. </p>
<p>I used to be a fan of Villeneuve, but not sure what happened to him, he was a good driver.</p>
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		<title>By: Gragop</title>
		<link>http://www.bmwblog.com/2008/10/15/bmw-sauber-heads-to-china/#comment-63051</link>
		<dc:creator>Gragop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63039&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;George&lt;/a&gt;: 

For what? braking way too late inside the first turns of Fuji and then running far too wide of track? Running into the back of Raikkonen? Running cars off of the road in places like Spa and Monza? Sorry - those aren&#039;t the actions of a champion. 

Hamilton has massive raw talent but right now most of it&#039;s overshadowed by his immaturity. How smart can he be that if, in his second year, he states he&#039;s as good as Senna then screws the pooch at Fuji immediately there after?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-63039" rel="nofollow">George</a>: </p>
<p>For what? braking way too late inside the first turns of Fuji and then running far too wide of track? Running into the back of Raikkonen? Running cars off of the road in places like Spa and Monza? Sorry &#8211; those aren&#8217;t the actions of a champion. </p>
<p>Hamilton has massive raw talent but right now most of it&#8217;s overshadowed by his immaturity. How smart can he be that if, in his second year, he states he&#8217;s as good as Senna then screws the pooch at Fuji immediately there after?</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hamilton deserves the championship title this year not Massa.</description>
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		<title>By: Gragop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gragop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-62941&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jurgen&lt;/a&gt;: 

Agreed. BMW Sauber still isn&#039;t where they need to be to take a drivers/constructors championship - but they&#039;re getting there :-)

Massa is almost at the point where he needs to retire though. Look at Coulthard. That guy should have retired from F1 when he left McLaren. I hope, for his reputation&#039;s sake, Massa calls it quits when his contract with Ferrari is up - in what? 2010? Or is that just Raikkonen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-62941" rel="nofollow">Jurgen</a>: </p>
<p>Agreed. BMW Sauber still isn&#8217;t where they need to be to take a drivers/constructors championship &#8211; but they&#8217;re getting there :-)</p>
<p>Massa is almost at the point where he needs to retire though. Look at Coulthard. That guy should have retired from F1 when he left McLaren. I hope, for his reputation&#8217;s sake, Massa calls it quits when his contract with Ferrari is up &#8211; in what? 2010? Or is that just Raikkonen?</p>
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		<title>By: Jurgen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jurgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kubica is great, but I think that Massa will take the crown this year.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacques Villeneuve and Heidfeld drove for BMW Sauber for the 2006 season, with Kubica as their test and substitute driver. Villeneuve crashed at the German Grand Prix, with Kubica stepping in for the next race, which was the Hungarian Grand Prix. Villeneuve never came back, as he and BMW Sauber decided to part ways.

And, of course, from then on, it&#039;s been Heidfeld and Kubica.

Prior to 2006, as you may remember, the team was known as BMW WilliamsF1. 2006 was the first season as BMW Sauber.

Over the last few years, things have been slowly moving BMW&#039;s way. Hopefully they can keep the trend alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacques Villeneuve and Heidfeld drove for BMW Sauber for the 2006 season, with Kubica as their test and substitute driver. Villeneuve crashed at the German Grand Prix, with Kubica stepping in for the next race, which was the Hungarian Grand Prix. Villeneuve never came back, as he and BMW Sauber decided to part ways.</p>
<p>And, of course, from then on, it&#8217;s been Heidfeld and Kubica.</p>
<p>Prior to 2006, as you may remember, the team was known as BMW WilliamsF1. 2006 was the first season as BMW Sauber.</p>
<p>Over the last few years, things have been slowly moving BMW&#8217;s way. Hopefully they can keep the trend alive.</p>
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		<title>By: Gragop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gragop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait - was it Villeneuve or Montoya he replaced? I can&#039;t remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait &#8211; was it Villeneuve or Montoya he replaced? I can&#8217;t remember.</p>
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		<title>By: Gragop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gragop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-62905&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andrew&lt;/a&gt;: 

Hamilton deseved to lose. He basically took the first two turns way to hard, tried cutting off half the field then started flatspotting his tires because he was too far inside the turn and trying to turn too late to keep Massa at bay. It was a series of dumb moves which he thankfully paid for. 

As for F1, yeah, it&#039;s the most competitive series of racing but for as much hype as Heidfeld received from BMW about talent he hasn&#039;t performed much whereas Kubica was more competitiveright out of the box when he replaced Villeneuve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-62905" rel="nofollow">Andrew</a>: </p>
<p>Hamilton deseved to lose. He basically took the first two turns way to hard, tried cutting off half the field then started flatspotting his tires because he was too far inside the turn and trying to turn too late to keep Massa at bay. It was a series of dumb moves which he thankfully paid for. </p>
<p>As for F1, yeah, it&#8217;s the most competitive series of racing but for as much hype as Heidfeld received from BMW about talent he hasn&#8217;t performed much whereas Kubica was more competitiveright out of the box when he replaced Villeneuve.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, I&#039;ve been impressed with Kubica. Plus, he&#039;s a fellow Pole so I&#039;ve gotta support him! ;)

Regarding the drivers, both Kubica and Heidfeld will return for the 2009 F1 season for BMW Sauber. Hopefully, we&#039;ll see both improve. I agree with you regarding Heidfeld. But F1 is arguably one of the most competitive racing series in existence. But it would be nice to see him step it up next season.

I didn&#039;t mean to exclude the McLaren&#039;s. Hamilton is an outstanding young talent. In Japan, he made some stupid mistakes. At the time, there was no reason for him to pass Massa. But he forced the issue, spun out and landed up trailing the entire field. During an F1 race, it&#039;s basically impossible to recover from such an error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, I&#8217;ve been impressed with Kubica. Plus, he&#8217;s a fellow Pole so I&#8217;ve gotta support him! ;)</p>
<p>Regarding the drivers, both Kubica and Heidfeld will return for the 2009 F1 season for BMW Sauber. Hopefully, we&#8217;ll see both improve. I agree with you regarding Heidfeld. But F1 is arguably one of the most competitive racing series in existence. But it would be nice to see him step it up next season.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to exclude the McLaren&#8217;s. Hamilton is an outstanding young talent. In Japan, he made some stupid mistakes. At the time, there was no reason for him to pass Massa. But he forced the issue, spun out and landed up trailing the entire field. During an F1 race, it&#8217;s basically impossible to recover from such an error.</p>
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		<title>By: Gragop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gragop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, thankfully BMW fans have Bob Kubica. Without him we&#039;d probably not see but 1 podium finish for BMW this season. &quot;Quick&quot; Nick Heifeld hasn&#039;t done much to really further the team aside from second place at Canada. The cars have improved so in turn his performance has but not nearly as well as Kubica.

I&#039;d be interested to see how Kubica and Mark Weber would do if he came back to BMW. 

Also - don&#039;t forget the McLarens are going to be out there this weekend beside the Ferraris and Renaults. If Hamilton doesn&#039;t make stupid moves that get him penalties or crash out he may be a serious competitor. He was on pole for this race last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, thankfully BMW fans have Bob Kubica. Without him we&#8217;d probably not see but 1 podium finish for BMW this season. &#8220;Quick&#8221; Nick Heifeld hasn&#8217;t done much to really further the team aside from second place at Canada. The cars have improved so in turn his performance has but not nearly as well as Kubica.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to see how Kubica and Mark Weber would do if he came back to BMW. </p>
<p>Also &#8211; don&#8217;t forget the McLarens are going to be out there this weekend beside the Ferraris and Renaults. If Hamilton doesn&#8217;t make stupid moves that get him penalties or crash out he may be a serious competitor. He was on pole for this race last year.</p>
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